An Open Letter to Orly Taitz, re: Defamatory Statements

ORYR ^ | 2/27/2012 | Captain Pamela Barnett and George Miller

[Flotsam_Jetsome]

Ms. Taitz:

As we previously stated, you have made multiple defamatory statements about Larry Klayman and some supporters, including us, causing severe harm. We supported you for years, because you were about the only game in town, after Apuzzo and Donofrio concluded that the federal courts would not hear any argument, no matter how logical, how grounded in fact and law.

Now, there are many ballot challenges granted instant “standing” and new attorneys are joining the fight. Obama State Ballot Challenge has helped to focus attention on the challenges and facilitate activity. We do not appreciate your non-productive infighting with other patriots in the movement. In fact, you are actively and maliciously attempting to hurt our efforts, in a manner nearly indistinguishable from that of the “Obama” forces. We know that they are enjoying sitting back and watching you do their work for them.

We had stayed quiet and counseled others not to get involved in the fray with you. George tried speaking to you twice earlier and again on 2/23/12, but, you would not even allow him to complete a sentence without interrupting. But, you have crossed into libelous action, so it has come to this and now we must reluctantly speak out. It’s bad enough that you routinely attack movement patriots, but now you are damaging the efforts of one of the finest attorneys in the nation. And that is unacceptable. Unlike others you have bulldozed, we will not be so passive, especially since you have ignored letters from our attorney.

[El Sordo]

Obama got to them to, it seems...

[Jedidah]

Reared two kids with diagnosed, documented ADD and ADHD. What you say is true.

Both have IQs at the very top of the chart. Much of their problem, particularly in the classroom, was learning to focus on one idea at a time.

I had a teacher tell me once, while pulling her hair, that my kid, while bouncing off the walls, could retain all she said, while other kids staring her in the eye could not. I never medicated the kids, but always took the teacher’s side and demanded accountability and appropriate behavior. There’s a time and place for everything, including excess energy.

It was darned hard teaching those children self-discipline and how to channel that excess into appropriate settings.

They’re grown now, doing well, still full of ideas, but voting right.

[GregNH]

It isn’t easy to say the least but well worth it in the end. Most of the school problems is simply boredom. They learn so fast they lose interest because they want to learn more!

[Elle Bee]

in regard to Klayman, I'm sorry if my comments about Klayman were construed as oblique

I've seen his damage to several good people up close and personal

Klayman is a user and I don't think his intentions are as positive as Taitz"s seem to be

Regardless Klayman's batting average is certainly no better

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[philman_36]

I've seen his damage to several good people up close and personal
I thought as much from the tone. It's still somewhat unsettling to me.

At this point I'm going to wait to make any judgement. I'll do so on his argument alone, not anything from his past, just like I have with Taitz.

...as Taitz"s seem to be
So much conveyed in one little word.

[Greenperson]

ADD is today considered a disorder. It once was considered a mark of genius. How things have changed in this world where it’s now a badge of honor to be “victim” of something or other. Introversion is sometimes classified as a disorder, too. ADD is a normal adaptive response, which in evolutionary terms, had a selective advantage. Hyperfocus is not a disorder. Nor is the ability to multi-task or “brainstorm”. What’s “normal” does not mean that what’s rare is a disease. But there’s money to be made in drugs to fix a non-problem and it seems to work for teachers who don’t want to deal with rambunctious students. In other words, they don’t or can’t teach discipline. Drugging is so much easier. Teachers are the main “pushers” of these drugs. Thank the NEA and the APA and the AMA for this one. And the drug companies.

[GregNH]

We are of course totally off topic but this thread seems dormant anyway.

When my oldest was in the 8th grade, my youngest was the ADD child, my X called me to “inform” me that he was going to be placed on “Ritalin” and will be attending special classes. So I called a meeting at the skrewll and there in attendance, the Principle, Vice Principle, his guidance counselor, and five of his teachers along with my X. My X worked at the skrewll in a non teaching position. These are her co-workers and in some cases her friends.

It was clear when I arrived that I was going to be ganged up on. I came prepared. I was at that time now an expert in this area. I was also in possession of new news story about fraud in a PA school where tens of kids were deemed “declared” to have ADD, a declaration that yielded approx $15,000 per child “declared” to have ADD to the school in federal funds.

The meeting was kicked off by the guidance counselor “informing” me of what the issue was and what was going to happen. So I asked “is this something that I have a say about?” Of course you do Mr Goss. She then asked the teachers to give a brief explanation on why “they” feel this is the right decision. I quipped in “Are these “teachers” qualified to diagnose a medical condition?” “well no but what they have to say is taking into consideration.” the GC said.

So here I am, clearly not showing any sign of caving with a stack of paper very close to a whole ream in front of me, as I thumbed through them. The teachers started with their testimony of his behavior. Basically we are looking at a very cute looking kid that was clearly enjoying the attention of all the very cute girls and the testimony of the first teacher bore that out. And when I pointed that out the GC moved onto the next “teacher” whom I got the idea might be more on the GC’s side. Well that “teacher” caved and hummed and hawed....so then the Principle chimes in and starts with “We have carefully looked at this issue and we have come to the conclusion that this will be best for “my sons name”.

Well I lost it at that point. I then went on to pull out all kinds of stats about how kids who are given drugs under these conditions are over 70% more likely to use illicit drugs later, bla bla bla. I also went on to ask why it took the system until the 8th grade to notice a “problem.” There was no answer to that. I then pulled out the PA story and asked the Principle point blank. “Will this school receive federal dollars if my son is “declared” to be a special needs child?” Long pause and then she admitted that yes the school system gets funding to “help” with “additional” cost for kids like this. As I placed the story on the table in front of her with a headline something like “Federal Officials Investigating the Increase Diagnosis of ADD in PA School” I can’t remember the title exactly, my kid is now 24 so this was a while ago.

There was silence and I asked “Are we done here?” As I got up and left.

[Brown Deer]

Comment:
in Orly's defense .....

Larry Klayman files high profile pleadings, then solicits donations for his legal services and off the top of my head has never won or concluded a case ... not even when he sued his Mother

Reply:
The thread is about Taitz and her actions yet you drag Klayman in and make oblique character attacks.

Article:
As we previously stated, you have made multiple defamatory statements about Larry Klayman and some supporters, including us, causing severe harm.

It is quite clear that you have an “agenda” to discredit Mr. Klayman and us.

More recently, we started fundraising for Larry Klayman’s planned work.

I counted at least 20 references to Larry Klayman in the article vs. only 3 to Orly Taitz.

On February 3, 2012, the prosecutor of Cuyahoga County, Ohio, announced that Klayman was indicted for failure to pay child support. The charge of criminal non-support is a fifth degree felony which carries a maximum sentence of one year in prison. Klayman owes $78,861.76 for two children ages 11 and 14.

Yet, what does Freedom Watch say about Klayman's family values?

Larry Klayman is committed to bringing about radical reform of our family law system...

Freedom Watch will work tirelessly to protect family rights and prevent abuse by corrupt family judges, lawyers and others who put their own greedy interests first.

[Flotsam_Jetsome]

No worries. My lame attempt at humor apparently fell flat. I meant to say that we all ended up in a holding pattern for awhile while equipment was repaired.

[bitt]

If all the Sheriff has IS the Corsi info, well at least it will be coming from an ‘official’ outlet, and not from a book written by someone that the MSM despises and denigrates...they MSM will be hard put to ignore the Sheriff ..

[DiogenesLamp]

If all the Sheriff has IS the Corsi info, well at least it will be coming from an ‘official’ outlet, and not from a book written by someone that the MSM despises and denigrates...they MSM will be hard put to ignore the Sheriff ..

I have little doubt that they will manage to do so nonetheless.

[philman_36]

On February 3, 2012, the prosecutor of Cuyahoga County, Ohio, announced that Klayman was indicted for failure to pay child support.
Was Klayman convicted for failure to pay child support?

Family values...the whole paragraph...your snippets in italics.

Our legal system is bad joke enough, with judges and lawyers slivering about to feather their own nests and compromise client and citizen interests. But the family law system, where judges, divorce lawyers, child psychologists, guardians ad litem, and other so called professionals churn and milk fees, all at the expense of children, is literally an abortion. Larry Klayman is committed to bringing about radical reform of our family law system—the same system which callously killed Terri Schiavo when her parents wanted to care for her. Klayman represented the Schindler family at the end of Terri's life and thereafter. The way she was put to death without any real evidence that she wanted to die was an American tragedy. Family members should also have the right to try to legally protect their loved ones, even if they are not next of kin. Freedom Watch will work tirelessly to protect family rights and prevent abuse by corrupt family judges, lawyers and others who put their own greedy interests first.

So what's your point?

[Cyber Liberty]

Orly Larry Klayman would rather be in the headlines than win.

There. Fixed it. Klayman sued his own mother for publicity, so let's not be too tough on Taitz. And I think she's a ditz. He's worse. Piss be upon him.

[philman_36]

Take me off your ping list.

[Brown Deer]

Was Klayman convicted for failure to pay child support?

Do you have reason to believe he is innocent?

Do you actually believe that this deadbeat dad has good family values?

So what's your point?

The point that you tried to make was that Larry Klayman was drug into this discussion, yet the article was more about Larry Klayman than Orly Taitz. So my point, is that this deadbeat dad was NOT drug into this discussion because he was very much a part of it to begin with.

[philman_36]

Do you have reason to believe he is innocent?
An indictment isn't proof of guilt, is it?

Why don't you simply answer my question...
Was Klayman convicted for failure to pay child support?

Do you actually believe that this deadbeat dad has good family values?
You're doing the same thing Taitz is doing.

So why did you cut out part of the paragraph and only use the parts that cast a negative light upon Klayman?
Are you that worried about the man's ability to correctly and competently bring a case before the court that you have to resort to such petty antics?

[Brown Deer]

An indictment isn't proof of guilt, is it?

The Cuyahoga County Child Support Enforcement Unit states that they have a 100% conviction rate and btw, Larry Klayman has already admitted in writing that he hasn't been paying his court ordered child support "as a matter of principle".

So, why would you be so intent on defending a scumbag "deadbeat dad" who is depriving his poor children of a good life?

[Brown Deer]

Why don't you simply answer my question...

Good question! Why haven't you answered any of my questions?

[Nifster]

Can’t disagree with you on that

[philman_36]

The Cuyahoga County Child Support Enforcement Unit states that they have a 100% conviction rate and btw, Larry Klayman has already admitted in writing that he hasn't been paying his court ordered child support "as a matter of principle".
Then you don't have a problem giving a link to that, do you?

So, why would you be so intent on defending a scumbag "deadbeat dad" who is depriving his poor children of a good life?
I'm still waiting for you to prove he's what you claim he is.

Why haven't you answered any of my questions?
When I get all of the necessary information from you I will. You're making the assertion so you need back it up.
The text of his letter you mentioned would be a good start.