Thanks, DMZFrank.
Obama’s Eligibility Diversion
Wednesday, February 15, 2012 2:55:25 PM · 93 of 93
DMZFrank to Harlan1196
I am seriously arguing that article 9 of the Jay Treaty recognizes dual British and American citizenship. If that is so, then the United States recognized both of little Barry’s citizenship statuses from his birth, since even he admits that the British immigration and naturalization act of 1948 conferred British citizenship upon him from his birth due to his father’s status as a British Commonwealth subject. If that is so he was not born bearing sole allegiance to the United States and no other country from his birth.
You seem to carelessly conflate citizenship and natural born citizenship as though they are the same thing. What was the purpose of article 2 section 1 clause 5 of the United States Constitution? One of the clearest rationales behind the adoption of that provision is John Jay’s letter to George Washington importuning him to introduce the natural born citizen clause into the debates at the Constitutional convention. The relevant portion of that letter reads as follows:”Permit me to hint, whether it would be wise and reasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government; and to declare expressly that the Commander in Chief of the American army shall not be given to nor devolve on, any but a natural born Citizen.”
The founders were clearly concerned about minimizing the likelihood of the transmission of undue foreign influence to the president of the United States, particularly through a father owing allegiance to a foreign sovereignty. It was an exclusionary proviso to protect the office of president of the United States, not to protect poor little Barry’s right to be president one day. It has literally applied to only 44 human beings in the history of the United States, those who assumed the office of POTUS and is not a general citizenship policy for any other purpose whatsoever.
Yes, the definition of founders adopted for the natural born citizen clause was taken from Emerich De Vattel’s Law of Nations. The entire 212th paragraph from Vattel is quoted in the SCOTUS 1814 Venus merchant man case, where in justice Livingstone quoted it in its entirety. “The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society can not exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as a matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. THE COUNTRY OF THE FATHERS IS THEREFORE THAT OF THE CHILDREN.” Vattel and the law of nations is part of the common law of the United States and has been incorporated into dozens of Supreme Court decisions.
The founders did not rely upon English common law for the definition of a natural born citizen, particularly in regards for eligibility to the chief executive. Every single English Prime Minister had always been selected from the English nobility, a class of which did not exist in the United States. Sir Robert Peel was the first commoner who held that post and he did not hold it until the 19th century, well after the ratification of the United States Constitution in 1789.
Barack Obama is the living breathing embodiment and personification of the reason the founders put article 2 section 1 clause 5 in the Constitution. He embodies an alien epistemology of Marxism, Fabian socialism, and crony capitalist fascism completely at odds with the founding traditions of this country. If you read his book “Dreams From My Father” you will see that he is searching for the Marxist dreams of his father who wrote in his doctorate thesis that there is nothing wrong with the country taking 100% of your income provided they give you commensurate value in return. If we fail to invoke this provision against Barack Obama remaining in office, we will have defaulted the very measure intended to protect us from his ruinous governance.
I don’t need you or any other apologist for Barack Obama telling me what is conservative. I am trying to preserve the Constitution of the United States as it is written. I am a Declaration of Independence Constitutional conservative and those of us who care about this issue intend to have this fight out to the very end.