Rossi's NASA Test Fails to Launch (E-Cat)

New Energy Times ^ | 2/10/2012 | Steven B. Krivit

[Johnny B.]

Andrea Rossi, an Italian man who claims to have invented a practical low-energy nuclear reaction device, will not have his device tested and evaluated by NASA. In the past year, Rossi has had mixed success in gaining support at two NASA laboratories: Langley Research Center in Hampton, Va., and Marshall Space Flight Center in Huntsville, Ala.

[Moonman62]

Crip, Rossi got a Green Card from President Jimmy Carter for that process.

Does recognition from Jimmy Carter really count for anything?

[muawiyah]

Probably.

He was President.

The logical problem here is that Rossi immigrated right after he'd supposedly been imprisoned ~ so how'd he get a visa?

That's easy enough to address if, in fact, he already had a visa.

Carter becomes quite relevant in any rational explanation of how Rossi got an immigration visa.

[Johnny B.]

He was President.

The logical problem here is that Rossi immigrated right after he'd supposedly been imprisoned ~ so how'd he get a visa?

First, we're still waiting for any legitimate reference to the claim that Jimmy Carter awarded Rossi a visa. The only reference I've been able to find is from Rossi's own mini-autobiography. Given the number of lies in which Rossi has already been caught, I'm certainly not going to accept his word about this.

He obviously did receive a visa at some point (unless he's an illegal alien). But if he received it during the Carter Administration, then he received his visa at least a decade before his various convictions in Italy.

The only incident I've found to relate Rossi's convictions to his work in the United States is the fact that he was working on his ThermoElectric converter (which showed every sign of being a fraud), when he took a short trip back home to Italy (he had a ticket to return to the U.S. in a few weeks). It was at that point that he was arrested (as a fugitive) and convicted to 8 years in prison for bankruptcy fraud.

I see no evidence to suggest that he received his visa personally from Jimmy Carter (as Rossi claims in his self-serving autobiography), nor do I see any evidence to suggest that he received it after he was in legal trouble in Italy.

If you have any actual evidence to the contrary, please post it.

[count-your-change]

The whole of Rossi’s efforts seems to be the production of just enough hype to snag a large investor or two.

Obtaining advance orders is a respectable business practice IF there is going to be a product to deliver at some reasonable future point.
That is not the case here. August was a possible roll out date. That is not going to happen.
Robotic factories? 500,000 orders? Where is the money going to come from? Not from sales of the shipping container water heaters, not from prepayment or Rossi’s pocket.

I think Rossi discovered after putting some of his own money in that producing a salable e-cat was not going to be done on the kitchen table but thought if the project could be kept alive long enough to attract some money it just might be made to work.

Now it's clear that no amount of money is going to produce quick results and huge profits.

[BufordP]

Courtesy ping.

Rossi Says E-Cat is Absolutely Safe — “There Will Never Be” Gamma Rays Emitted

[aruanan]

I think Krivit is to LENR/cold fusion what Walter Hooper is to C.S. Lewis (or was, I don’t know if he’s kicked the bucket yet; he was in his late 20s back in the mid-60s when he hatched his scheme shortly after Lewis’s death).

[muawiyah]

There's an alternative ~ that he was doing business in the US and invested the required sum (I believe it was $250,000 at the time) and got a business visa.

Regarding his theoretical time in prison in Italy, you find articles about his convictions and also about where he was exonerated and the convictions overturned.

I haven't found an article about him really going in stir and coming out.

The smallscale sanitary incinerator/co-power generation device appears to have been a real device he invented to make quite a bit of money with.

Back to the issues however, what relevance is this rehashed stuff in your piece? We went over and over the same stuff last year several times!

[count-your-change]

“Regarding his theoretical time in prison in Italy, you find articles about his convictions and also about where he was exonerated and the convictions overturned.’

Rossi apparently spent six months in jail accoding to:

a b “Riciclaggio rifiuti tossici Assolto Andrea Rossi”. Archiviostorico.corriere.it. http://archiviostorico.corriere.it/2004/novembre/27/Riciclaggio_rifiuti_tossici_Assolto_Andrea_co_7_041127020.shtml. Retrieved 2011-11-12

A reference found with a Wikipedia article.

[babygene]

Don’t you find it a little bit odd that a NASA employee at Langley Research Center in Hampton, Va. just filed a patent application regarding LENR and specifically H2 - Ni reactions? Although Rossi’s process wasn’t specifically mentioned in the patent application, a general description of what Rossi has calmed was.

Kind of makes you want to say Hmmmm... The assignee on this patent app. is of course the U.S. government.

http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PG01&p=1&u=\%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=%2220110255645%22.PGNR.&OS=DN/2\0110255645&RS=DN/20110255645

[Johnny B.]

Rossi apparently spent six months in jail accoding to:

This is referring to a 1995 conviction.

The article also says:

On appeal, the process still hangs for bankruptcy due to the collapse of Omar, the company that took over from Dragon Petrol refinery Lacchiarella in which the waste had to be distilled: for this process, in 2000 Andrea Smith was convicted by the summary Gup Milan to eight years in prison.

So, in 2004 he was "acquitted" of his 1995 conviction, but was 4 years in to his bankruptcy fraud sentence, which was a separate issue. I never found any evidence that this conviction was ever overturned.

Rossi has been very clever to try to claim that the only conviction was the Dragon Petrol pollution issue, which was later overturned. He ignores his other convictions, which included (at least) fraudulent gold sales (after Dragon Petrol he ran a large and successful jewelry business in Italy), and the 8-year conviction for transferring all the assets of Omar out of Italy as the company was going bankrupt.

[Johnny B.]

Don’t you find it a little bit odd that a NASA employee at Langley Research Center in Hampton, Va. just filed a patent application regarding LENR and specifically H2 - Ni reactions?

Not at all. There are several researchers working with Ni-H reactions, and NASA submitted their patent long before they had anything to do with Rossi, and long before Rossi started his dog & phony shows.

If Rossi was trying to pull a con, using Cold Fusion as the basis, he would have had two "reasonable" choices: Palladium/Deuterium or Nickel/Hydrogen. Palladium is expensive, so Nickel is the obvious choice. (He could have made up something that wasn't already in the research literature, but then he would have had a much more difficult time convincing anyone that he "legit".)

One of the common fallacies I've seen with "True Believers" (I don't know if you fall into that category or not), is that if there is any legitimacy to LENR at all, then Rossi must be legitimate. That simply isn't true. LENR is a wonderful field for con men. Everyone has heard of it, but nobody (including the "experts") understand it. Given the history of Blacklight Power, it seems likely that Rossi isn't even the first scam artist to work in this field.

[Johnny B.]

There's an alternative ~ that he was doing business in the US and invested the required sum (I believe it was $250,000 at the time) and got a business visa.

But you've stated several times, including in this thread, that Jimmy Carter gave him his visa (which is what Rossi claims).

I guess you don't have a clue what you're talking about.

[muawiyah]

The US government has several ways of importing foreigners besides just letting them slip in through Arizona and Texas. http://travel.state.gov/visa/ covers most of that. There’s also a refugee or asylum system. Rossi became a US citizen, so how did he get in? Please read the following section about prohibited classes and tell us how it was Rossi could commit the string of crimes you say he commited and still get into the US, or, if he was already here, stay here: http://travel.state.gov/visa/frvi/ineligibilities/ineligibilities_1364.html

[muawiyah]

The US government has several ways of importing foreigners besides just letting them slip in through Arizona and Texas. http://travel.state.gov/visa/ covers most of that. There’s also a refugee or asylum system. Rossi became a US citizen, so how did he get in? Please read the following section about prohibited classes and tell us how it was Rossi could commit the string of crimes you say he commited and still get into the US, or, if he was already here, stay here: http://travel.state.gov/visa/frvi/ineligibilities/ineligibilities_1364.html

[count-your-change]

No one would care about his past IF he could actually produce something that looked like more than a Hypo-matic Hot Air Producer.

But when “Rossi Says” is the Pixie Dust that makes everything work...then character becomes everything.

[Johnny B.]

Rossi became a US citizen

Source?

so how did he get in?

According to you, Jimmy Carter gave him a visa. I haven't seen any evidence of that other than Rossi's autobiography, which has other self-promoting lies.

If Rossi got a visa (or even became a U.S. citizen) during the Carter administration, then that was at least a decade before his convictions in Italy.

I do know that the oldest and most respected newspaper in Italy has a decade worth of stories about Rossi's numerous crimes and convictions.

All I know about Rossi's visa and supposed citizenship is Rossi's self-serving autobiography and your uninformed guesses.

[Johnny B.]

Interesting bit about one of Rossi's supporters, Hanno Essén:

I had asked Essén during the phone call whether he had been aware of the 1,600 times expansion rate of water to steam.

"I'd come across that before," Essén said, "I was aware of that."

"When you pulled the hose out of the wall and saw the steam, did you think about the expansion rate?" I asked Essén.

"No,” he said, “I must admit, I was thinking that I must check the water is not draining out. I had this vague feeling that the water inlet flow wasn't that fast, that the steam could be consistent with it, especially after some condensation in the hose. But we should have looked more into that, obviously, but there was not enough time."

[muawiyah]

May be a Rossi joke too. Technically the President IS the ExecutiveBranch of the federal government. His agents, which include visa examination officers, act on his orders, so you could say that the President gave you a visa.

But what about the rest of this ~ how did he go on to get citizenship? How did he get past the security standards for the government contracts the government says they gave him?

All of this takes us back to an initial question ~ that is how much trust can you place in the Italian press to get the story straight?

Then there's Bob Gentile ~ he seems well connected ~ and Rossi has been involved with him for years, and that's not from the Italian press, it's from Parsons contracts, US Army contracts, .......

One more time, are you sure you've got the right guy?

[count-your-change]

I wonder too if this fellow was aware of what the latent heat is in steam.
If seeing steam coming out of a hose going he knows not where didn’t set off alarms in his head I wonder what would.

[Johnny B.]

One more time, are you sure you've got the right guy?

One more time, yes.

The Andrea Rossi who ran Dragon Petrol is the same man who was convicted of numerous crimes in Italy (including financial fraud, money laundering and tax evasion). He is the same man who failed to produce a working ThermoElectric converter for the Army. He is the same man who is now looking for gullible investors to buy in to his steam kettle.

You're the only person who seems to have trouble understanding this.