Posted on 01/30/2012 6:57:49 AM PST by GregNH
Excellent question, Greg! And one I think both the Sunahara family and the general public deserve an answer to.
The computer transaction logs, microfilms, and original paper records all need to be examined forensically in a criminal investigation.
More crap from Sven. Sven, do you have even ONE shred of supporting evidence for your theory?
Actually, in defense of Sven, the theory he/she proffers explains a helluvalot of this whole bowl of spaghetti. Search Sven’s posts. Read them all. They make a lot of sense.
Obots want you to ignore me, have me banned from FreeRepublic and demand I show proof of evidence while Obama fails to honor a subpoena or answer questions under oath.
Hawai’i DoH is a misdirection. The Feds have the information needed to expose Obama as a usurper.
Start here:
http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/orr
Oh how I wish that were true!!!!!!!!
But I have come to believe that hell would have to freeze over first....he will finish, because they will sacrifice our laws and constitution to make sure we save face and not impeach our “first black president”
Think about it...you know it’s true, they cannot let that happen. But, when he is out....all is fair game, and the truth will be revealed...I just know it will.
I will confess that I moved from Seattle to my new home and acreage in rural central Kentucky in august for a sort of Revelation 18:4 reason.
If it happens the way you fear, I am convinced we will be living in the end times, and not just a precursor.
Sure, Sven’s theories are interesting. What I vigorously object to is his presentation of his theories as FACT, while steadfastly refusing to present one solitary scrap of evidence in support of his theories.
I am not at all convinced that Sven isn’t working for the other team (Fogbow types).
And for your pain, take note which of you gets called an Obot.
Yes, exactly.
Sven, I hate to mention it, but if you believe the Indonesian school records, don’t they destroy your theory? The Indonesian records list Obama’s place of birth as Hawaii.
“The Indonesian records list Obama’s place of birth as Hawaii.”
The problem with only looking at a state based birth record is it only describes the place of birth of the child and parents and not the citizenship of the child at birth. See “Blue List” cases 7 FAM 1100 Appendix J.
Barry Soetoro’s school record is a good example of this. From his school record we know he was born in Honolulu, HI and he was an Indonesian National. It’s unfortunate, but the State of Hawaii DoH may not have any information on Barry Soetoro’s post-birth citizenship because the State Department does not inform state based record’s departments when citizenship is changed, modified or identified a non-jurisdictional resident.
Furthermore, the policy to deny parents the opportunity to renounce their child’s US was instituted in 2009, shortly after Obama was sworn it. Before 2009, it was not a difficult thing to do if you move out of the U.S.
One point: the state of Hawaii has given Barry Dunham a designation of ‘born in HI’ but there is substantial evidence that his mother or grandmother obtained that designation and he was born elsewhere bu his relatives were allowed to apply for registry without proof, just claiming it to be so.
I’m into genealogy and have seen many death certificates. Never, have I seen one that displayed a reference to the deceased’s birth document. Think about it. Someone dies and the department of health asks the next of kin to provide a birth certificate????? I don’t think so.
Usually the location death occurred and cause of death are noted. The deceased’s birthdate and place of birth are included along with parents’ place of birth. The informant often signs the certificate.
Here’s a challenge for you all. Search the internet for “death certificates” and narrow the search to “images” if you can. Look to see if any of the documents displays a space for birth certificate number. Let us know if you find any.
If I were a President, and my citizenship had been messed up when I was a kid by my parents, I’d want to make sure that didn’t happen to anyone else.
“...The Indonesian records list Obama’s place of birth as Hawaii.”
How do you know that Hawaii is stated in those records?”
Because on line 2 it says he was born in Honolulu.
1) She did not identify the potential VS identity theft; it was actually the work of another researcher.
2) The referenced index book images that show VS is in both the 1960-1964 birth and death index. Another researcher actually visited the HDoH office and collected the images posted on the internet.
3) Why did she ask for a non-abbreviated COLB rather than the index data? I am quite certain she would have received a different answer had she just requested the index data. The HDoH is clearly not trying to hide the birth/death of VS. This is simply a concocted conspiracy theory by BZ.
4) She contended at one point that the VA was lying to her about VS’ burial at Punchbowl. Yes, VS was buried at Punchbowl after she died but was moved to Mililani Memorial Gardens in 1968 and buried with her father.
5) She contends that Director Fuddy changed the LFBC policy; that is not true. The HDoH is basing their LFBC denial on a memorandum written by a different director some 11 years ago. See http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/Policy_Memo_5_15_2001.PDF
6) Another researcher visited the family and was the person who determined VS was born at Wahiawa General Hospital. Her brother Duncan recently went on record and said she was transferred to Kapiolani where she died the next day.
My point is that BZ makes some reference to the work of others but does not acknowledge their contribution whatsoever. The work of a research team has been well documented by the Post and Email and WND and is the basis of other ongoing investigations including WND, The Birther Summit, the Cold Case Posse, etc.
Most researchers could care less about recognition but do take issue when their research is claimed to be the work of another individual. I really tired of persons writing about the eligibility issue as if all the research and discovery was completed entirely on their own when in reality it was the collective work of many. BZ is not the only person guilty of such transgressions.
The CDC recommended death certificate for 1961 has a place for the birth certificate number to be cross-referenced. I believe it’s now recommended that health departments have computer software that will automatically do the cross-referencing.
No kidding. If they asked for dead child’s bc, I think I would be of the mind to drag them to the morgue and see that, in fact, the child was dead, therefore presenting proof that the child was indeed, at some point, born.
The reason they cross-reference death certificates with birth certificates is to prevent identity fraud. See the HHS inspector general’s report at http://oig.hhs.gov/oei/reports/oei-07-99-00570.pdf
IIRC that report also says that when a person dies, the birth record is supposed to be located and is supposed to have DECEASED marked on it, to prevent identity theft.
With electronic records now, the matching can be done by the computer system so there’s no need to have a place to write a BC# on a death certificate.
Hawaii law required the HDOH to include on their certificates all the required information from the CDC’s recommended certificates. I don’t know what changes were made to the recommended death certificates between 1955 and 1961, or whether the HDOH kept up with the changes as required.
Line 2 of what?
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