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To: butterdezillion

If no one submits original documents for analysis, than how can Obama establish eligibility? Obama, it seems to me, has the power to enable (if not force) Hawaii to release documentation. If he does not, would that be the same thing as you not providing proper documentation for application for a dog license? No one says you HAVE to provide it, but if you don’t - no license.


331 posted on 01/20/2012 4:48:39 PM PST by fhayek
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To: fhayek

Usually people submit certified copies of the original longt-form (that was filled out at the hospital), and usually that’s enough because the agency that holds the records doesn’t mess with them but simply stores them so certified copies can be provided when requested.

But the HDOH has messed with the records. We know that already because their 1960-64 birth index includes at least 2 different names from BC’s that are not legally valid, mixed together with legally-valid ones with no way to tell them apart. That was not a straight-out print-out of all legally valid birth records from 1960-64. It was a manipulated print-out.

And the supposed long-form that Obama supposedly scanned and posted online as a PDF has vestiges of a seal that is the wrong size so that it could not be from a legally certified copy of an original birth certificate. The HDOH would have known on sight that what Obama posted was not what they sent him if they did send him a legally-certified copy of his long-form. So only a few possibilities exist:

1) Fuddy didn’t sent Obama anything and sat by while Obama fabricated the whole episode.

2) Fuddy sent Obama BC’s that were not legally certified.

3) Fuddy sent Obama BC’s that were legally certified and then watched while Obama posted a forgery instead.

No matter how you slice it, Fuddy is wrong, wrong, wrong in how she treated Obama’s PDF posting - either by saying she sent a certified copy when she didn’t, or by letting Obama fabrications be accepted by the public without a peep to the public, to federal officials, or to law enforcement.

So anyway, between the HDOH’s illegal behavior and Obama’s 2 public BC forgeries, neither Obama nor the HDOH can be trusted. By giving people in their office a falsified 1960-64 birth index the HDOH showed that they are willing to lie through their official records for Obama’s sake, so nothing they certify can be trusted.

What needs to be seen is anything which tells us whether or not the HDOH has fabricated or falsified Obama’s record just like they falsified the birth index. That’s why people are asking to inspect the ORIGINAL long-form, the microfilm roll with Obama’s BC on it, etc - to do forensic testing on these things to see if they are fabrications.

Way back when in April when the HDOH decided they would have a policy of breaking HRS 338-16 by refusing to issue certified copies of actual long-form (the rules call them “standard”) BC’s on request, there was an article where they claimed that even Obama himself would not be able to see the original. (Funny, though, that HI State Senator Will Espero proposed a bill that would allow people to pay to get a one-time view of a specially-made-up BC just for Obama. Makes me think of the Lord hiding Moses in the cleft of the rock and then passing before him while his eyes were shaded and then finally letting Moses see his back...)

That was staging for them to claim that nobody can EVER see the original. They don’t want anybody to see the original - even supposedly have it tucked away in a locked safe - because if anybody saw it they would be able to do forensic analysis on it.

What the HDOH will allow people to see is what one of Jerry Corsi’s sources says is a forgery that has been placed in the HDOH files. The age of the paper, ink, etc can’t be evaluated on that because it’s basically just a photocopy. But the HDOH will happily put their seal on it even though they know it’s a forgery - just as Chiyome Fukino had her people tell visitors that the book on the shelf was the 1960-64 birth index even though she had to have a special printing done to get the legally non-valid names put into that list so she knew the thing was a fabrication.

What I fear is that the judge will accept a certified copy of a long-form and call that enough - not realizing that the HDOH has been falsifying other records for Obama and would easily certify what they knew to be a forgery as well. Heck, Fuddy knew Obama’s PDF is a forgery and she made it appear to all the world that it was what she had actually sent him. If she would commit misprision of Obama’s felony of forgery then why the heck wouldn’t she commit misprision of her own office’s felony of forgery, since she is the fox guarding the henhouse to keep anybody from being able to see and do forensic testing on the forgery anyway?


436 posted on 01/20/2012 9:07:11 PM PST by butterdezillion
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