Posted on 01/20/2012 1:23:14 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
The Southern Republican Presidential Debate Recap:
Thirty-six hours before polls open in South Carolina, the four remaining GOP candidates were fired up- starting with Newt Gingrich.
Gingrich began the night slamming the network broadcasting the debate, saying CNN "should be ashamed" for asking him about his open marriage. He called the open marriage accusation by his ex-wife "despicable." His explosive response got him a standing ovation and CNN's recap said he could win South Carolina for his answer.
To spark the tax-return issue, Gingrich had released his an hour before the debate. When the inevitable got tossed to Romney, he said he would release the information in April and that he doesn't want Democrats to be able to attack him too soon.
Romney continued defending his choice saying he "would not apologize for being successful."
Following the debate, Gingrich told Anderson Cooper that Romney would not "get through Florida" without releasing that tax information.
Ron Paul said he would not be releasing his tax information because he wanted to save himself the embarrassment. And Santorum said his tax returns were at home and he wasn't going home.
Santorum may have been the toughest he has ever been. He put his fellow colleagues on the spot and was called "sensitive" by Ron Paul when Santorum attacked him for not being strong enough about pro-life issues. Santorum continued stressing that the fundamental difference between he and the other candidates is that he is a "steady" candidate and that he stands up for what is right.
Ron Paul got a bit overshadowed and was almost passed up during the abortion question. When Paul got his chance, Santorum attacked him for not being able to stand up to "any level" to defend pro-life.
This debate may have been the first mention of RomneyCare- the 70-page-health-plan that Romney had drafted that the other candidates claimed allowed "tax-paid abortions." Romney denied this, citing the pro-choice measures he vetoed while Massachusetts governor.
What all of the candidates were united upon were their sentiments toward President Obama. Romney even said if there was one thing he could have done differently in his campaign, it would have been to talk less about his colleagues and more about Obama and that under Obama, America is becoming less of an "opportunity" society and more of an "entitlement" society.
The LIVE Blog of the Debate:
Closing Remarks:
Paul: South Carolina is known for their "respect for liberty." "If you do that, it benefits everybody." He said it's about freedom, not this "mountain of debt." One of his modest proposals: Cut a trillion dollars out of the budget. Programs will go down- need to look at overseas spending.
Gingrich: Said "it is imperative to defeat Barack Obama" and that Obama is "the most dangerous president of our lifetime." He said "The American people need to send a signal that they want very dramatic, deep change in Washington."
Romney: Focused on "the pursuit of happiness." He said Obama is "changing the nature of America... changing us from an 'opportunity' society into an 'entitlement' society."
Santorum: Said he's the only one in the race who has defeated a democrat. "We need someone with a track record of winning." He compared this election to Reagan's, ending by saying simply: "Vote for me."
On Abortion:
Gingrich: Attacked "Romneycare"- that the plan would fund tax-paid abortions.
Romney: He rebuffed the attack by saying there is no mention of abortion in Romneycare. He said there is no "requirement or participation of Planned Parenthood." He said, "I am pro-life... I am an avid pro-life governor and pro-life individual." He said "this was not the time to question integrity." He also said he vetoed measures in Massachusetts that wanted to redefine when life begins, the morning-after pill, and cloning. He said, "his record is solid,"
Santorum: attacked Romney, saying "he knew the court would make him cover abortion." Santorum said he has "fought the fight to protect human life." Attacking Gingrich, he said we don't need someone "pretending" they're pro-life.
[Insert audience booing that Ron Paul's answer was almost skipped]
Paul: Reminded the moderator that he was a doctor, afterall. He said we must "correct the morality." He said "you need the government out of hospital funding."
Santorum then attacked Paul that he should be able to stand up "to any level- that it is a federal issue."
Paul called Santorum "overly sensitive." Paul said, "I see abortion as a violent act." But he said the solution is not to allow the states to write their laws.
On Illegal Immigration:
Gingrich: You have to control the border. He is prepared to get it controlled by 2014 and to increase employees along the border. He said he "favors English as the official language." He said he would regulate visas and make it easier to deport people. He would outsource fraud to Visa and Mastercard. He said there are people "who have been here 25 years, they're working, paying their bills…" He said he would suggest a WWII "Draft Style" operation in order "to prove you have genuine family ties and an American family to sponsor you…for a residency permit." On the first day he is inaugurated as president, he said he will "drop the lawsuits against Alabama and South Carolina..."
Romney: The issue is "straight-forward." "Build a fence… and you insist employers check the card before hiring someone….That would solve the problem…We're not going to deport them, but we're not going to give them a preferential pathway." "Coming here illegally should not give you an advantage," he said. He said he maintains the same position he had when he ran for president four years ago, even though Santorum questioned him about it.
Santorum: Began by saying he was the son of an immigrant. He believes that "people who want to be Americans is the infusion for this country." However, breaking the law is a different story. "If you want to be an American, the first thing you should do is respect our laws and obey our laws." For those who have been here illegally for 25 years, he said "they've been breaking the law for 25 years." He said he doesn't believe it should be treated differently.
Paul: Said he believed that the law enforcers are the ones to be held accountable for illegal immigration. He said "a lot of it has to do with economic incentives... for immigrants and for Americans." He said "we need more resources... that they're all overseas...We should take care of our needs here."
One Thing They Would Do Differently:
Gingrich: Said he would just go straight into being a "big ideas, big solutions" type candidate. He would have gone to the Internet.
Romney: "Would have worked to get 25 more votes in Iowa." (Insert audience laughter and applause) Would have taken the time he spent talking about the other guys on the stage and would have talked about President Obama. He said, "Frankly any one of [his colleagues] would be better."
Santorum: Wouldn't have changed anything. "To be in the final four is amazing" for someone with "no money." He said he did 700 town-home meetings. "Good ideas and hard work still pay off in America."
Paul: Would continue what he always does. Feels he could have worked more and learned more about delivering a message.
On SOPA:
Gingrich: "You're asking a conservative about the interests of Hollywood." He said, however, that "he favors freedom." Having the government censoring the internet strikes him as "exactly the wrong thing to do."
Romney: Said Gingrich had it absolutely right. SOPA would have a depressing impact "on one of the fastest growing industries in America." He wants to find a way to go after those who are pirating, but he says it's a mistake- "he stands for freedom."
Santorum: Said he was one of the first to sign against the law. Said Republicans have been on the wrong side of the issue. "Freedom and the constitution bring factions together."
Paul: Did not agree that there is not something that "can and should be done to protect the intellectual rights of people."
On Romney's Tax Return Issue:
Gingrich released his tax returns before the debate. According to Talking Points Memo, "he made $3,142,066 in adjusted gross income and paid $994,708 in taxes on that sum, which was good for a 31.6 percent tax rate." Gingrich said he released them so people could see "what his values are."
Santorum said his taxes are on his computer and he's not home. When he gets home, he'll get them.
Ron Paul said he'd be embarrassed to put out his own tax returns and has no intention of doing that.
Romney said he would release his in April. He knows that is what will come when the Democrats "attack" him. He only wants to have "one discussion." He said the challenge in America is that the "President plays nine rounds of golf while people are out of work." He said he "won't apologize for being successful."
NEWT is the only one who takes on the conservatives’ arch enemy - THE MEDIA.
GO NEWT !
LOLOL
Newt is the only candidate since Reagan who is willing and able to go after the main opponent, the media. He does it with vigor and he does it with skill, while eviscerating the Socialist with his foil.
Yes, Newt is flawed. So we are going to have to accept a man with human foibles, but accept him I have.
I'm voting for Newt.
This will only help him. And I believe the media has grossly underestimated the backlash from the public on this--the agenda is too obvious...
The only good thing is that all of this crap is happening now as opposed to September
Now, just to try to hijack this thread, I have a good friend whose wife is a psychologist (he ahd I are both lawyers; time for flames). Anyway, I once suggested to him that his wife employ a biological treatment for her depressed patients, “The Big Hug.” For the less seveely depressed patients the Hug could be administered by something as small as an eight foot rat snake. Depending on the level of depression, the treatment could ascend to Boa Constrictors and, for the truly severe cases, Reticulated Pythons. I don’t know why, but she never viewed this as a truly appropriate treatment, in spite of the fact that, at any level, it was guaranteed to refocus the patient’s attention on something more compelling than mere depression.
Santorum comes across as whiney and self righteous. He’s the kid who always had his hand up to be hall monitor.
boo hiss
Your sour attitude shows you’re obviously depressed and need a Big Hug.
Talk about bias. This sentence makes it sound as if he had an open marriage and was just objecting to it being mentioned. The left knows no shame.
Let’s see what salamander has to say about it!
Hiss. Boo.
Didn’t even bother to say “alleged” in there.
And anyhow, I thought the Liberal Media felt “open marriages” to be no big deal.
She should do it but skip the smaller snakes completely.
They’re too timid and jumpy and are not constrictors therefore unlikely to “hug” very well.
[although a nice sized Ball Python will massage a muscle spasm out of your neck or shoulders like you can’t imagine]...;D
Go straight to a nice ‘smallish’ Colombian or Red Tail Boa, preferably 4 feet or so.
Big enough for a good solid hug, small enough to not be overly dangerous to an adult person.
[Royal (aka Ball) Pythons are smaller constrictors but generally too skittish and shy...larger Pythons such as Burms or Rocks are too aggressive...avoid those for this purpose]
*Every* time I take my snakes out and sit down with them, it’s almost hypnotic.
I don’t know if it’s because I’m gently and slowly stroking them, or they’re slowly expanding and contracting their hold on me, sort of like slow motion massage or even if it’s just watching their graceful, fluid movements but I doze off and have to keep jerking myself back awake....:)
[hubby says they’re “voodooing me” so I’ll zonk out and they can eat me] LOL
Her big problem is going to be that most people are irrationally afraid of snakes. especially when they’re 6 foot long...or longer.
Any way, I’m all for employing animals in human therapy.
“Hug therapy” is already being employed and has recently crossed over to the world of veterinary medicine.
“Thunder Shirts”.
http://www.thundershirt.com/lpc2/
If any of my dogs were noise phobic, I’d buy one in a heartbeat.
“for the truly severe cases, Reticulated Pythons.”
BTW, for the love of God, do *not* employ Retics in therapy unless you’re looking for an -extremely- permanent “cure”...LOL
Fascinating!
Your expertise with snakes is wonderful and unusual. I saw your post on another thread about your security doors! They sound very mesmerizing.
Our now departed “;^( Golden Retriever would have LOVED a Thundershirt. She was the sweetest thing, but apparently abused before we rescued her. She’d freak if you threw a ball at her and never learned to retrieve at all. But what a companion.
We’ve done it!! We’ve completely hijacked this thread and turned it into a snake thread. Using a large Retic for Hug Therapy would definitely be for only the most severe cases, just as using Dr. Guillotine’s little machine would only be for the worst headaches.
LOL!
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