Posted on 01/18/2012 2:47:31 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
Where Would Ron Paul Supporters Rally if Paul was Not Running in the GOP Primary?
Rep. Ron Paul ran for president as a Libertarian in 1988. [GHW Bush [R] was elected]
Rep. Ron Paul ran for president as a Republican in 2008. [John McCain [R] won the nomination and Barack Obama [D] was elected]
Rep. Ron Paul is running for president as a Republican in 2012. [????] Perhaps another Obama win?
Is Rep. Ron Paul and his base helping or hindering the conservative cause?
Because he'll be out of the race by Monday morning. And frankly, there's no "true conservative" in the race -- partly because all of the candidates are flawed and partly because it's an impossible label which means different things to different people. Its most common definition is "the guy who I chose, so everyone else ought to as well".
Sorry CW, I know Perry and like him, but he pretty much railroaded his own campaign early on in the debates. Unless he pulls off a miracle in SC (and all indications are he won't), I don't see him continuing. He blew all his money trying to change his image after his debate flubs and his donations are drying up. Unfortunately, that is how the game is played and one has to be realistic about the battlefield. He reminds me of Fred Thompson in the last election, lots of lost potential.
You didn’t answer my question.
Maybe I wasn’t clear.
Forget numbers for a moment.
Why do you say that Rick Perry is not a true conservative?
..to give you an example, I’m in an East Texas town where Perry is very popular. When he first ran, there were Perry stickers all over the place on cars. In my office parking lot there were at least a dozen. Even here, they have all come off and I haven’t seen one in months.
I would say that 1/2 to 2/3 of his support is coming from Democrats or left leaning independents that are just messing with the GOP primary because Obama is running unopposed.
Every time Ron Paul talks it reminds me of the Ross Perot parody on Rush. “There coming to take me away ha, ha.”
He had some early difficulty (and I won't say it was due to his recent back fusion surgery) but the MSM was relentless and to say otherwise would not be truthful. Romney and the Bush-Rove establishment machine feared a Perry surge and have done everything in their power to hold him down.
I’ll take that to the bank. /S
Who was giving out all those Perry stickers when the primary was so far off?
I think you need to think through your “on the ground” report mischief a bit better.
They’d go where they will go in the General Election; back to the Dem Party where they came from.
I was one giving them away. I ordered several from Cafe Press. A lot were recycled ones from his governor run.
I see.
“Where Would Ron Paul Supporters Rally if Paul was Not Running in the GOP Primary?
I’m guessing a Phish concert............”
Or one of their parents’ basement where they live raiding the frig upstairs in the middle of the night.
Most of the young Paul supporters are Obama voters; emotionally driven herd followers; dumb as a door knob but love being seen as “smart” by the media. They got goose bumps chanting “O baaaaaa ma” during the last election. They advocated for “hope and change” having no idea of what direction they want. Today they move freely between OWS (adovating for Marxism) and Paul rallies (advocating for a small, constitutional government). They hate “biased” Fox News and love CNN and MSNBC. They are retards.
But some are with Paul for his promise of small government and an end to globalist and Homeland inSecurity’s excesses and abuse of the US. They are tired of international corporate welfare and power over them. The bankster/politican home loan scams and Treasury shake down pushed them over the deep end. The President’s power to kill Americans he deems “domestic terrorists” and to detain them without a trial (strip search and harass people at the airports) is way over the top for them. Police abuse of people and their property with no legal consequences moved them into the fruit cake’s camp because the GOP and the DNC agree on these abuses of human life, freedom and dignity.
They turned out for the Tea Party but the Tea Party has let them down. No one supported by the Tea Party talks about the abuse of freedom committed by the feds in the “war on terror” and the “war on drugs.” All the candidates are silent about strip searching old ladies at the airports, for example. They don’t push for safe and secure borders (sovergnity) and removing illegals. The party used by the Tea Party (the GOP) don’t stand up against the left for legal elections. No elitists have been arrested and tried for the loan scam that brought down the real estate market and US economy. If we want the a big chunck of Tea Party within Paul supporters, we have to have a constitutional freedom plank that pushes back the “progress” of Homeland Security’s extreme abuse of police power. They are morphing into a KGB.
“Most of the young Paul supporters are Obama voters; emotionally driven herd followers”
Young Paulites are more like a mob running on emotions and shared slogans they don’t understand than anything I have seen before. They move between OWS and Paul rallies without noticing the problem of crossed purposes there. I don’t think young people experienced viet nam - it was before their time but the hippies have their mind. :)
I don't think he will. As for my own country, we're well experienced with the peaceful approach - but we pack a punch when we have to. One of the reasons why so many Canadian troops got slaughtered in the botched Dieppe raid was, "If anyone can pull it off, the Canadians can." They remembered Vimy, as do we.
You may be interested to know that Bryan was also considered a dangerous nut-case in his time.
And therin lies the most interesting question: what if, once older, the former Paulites infiltrate the Democrat party?
I'm not talking about getting rid of them. Ron Paul is a Constitutionalist in his own way, so his followers moving in to the Democrat party will make Constitutionalism bipartisan.
He is a constitutionalist in the monetary and banking regard.
But as a libertarian he also sees the US Constitution as somewhat living and breathing. He wants to read freedoms into it that simply don’t exist. In that regard, he and his followers may be absorbed into the DemocRat herd, but it would be to continue to “fundamentally transform” the USC so that it can both grant complete individual liberty (even to the extent of destroying yourself, which could mean 10 million selves and therefore society-at-large) while also empowering the government with whatever authority it needs to clean up the mess of those 10 million selves.
Yes, they are similar in that regard and they are also like oil and water.
So, yes, you are correct. Such contradiction and futility resulting in the destruction of the country our Founding Fathers created would fit right in with the DemocRat party.
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