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After reading it -- are you in or out of the "Establishment?"
1 posted on 01/17/2012 1:43:58 PM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: sauropod

read


2 posted on 01/17/2012 1:45:30 PM PST by sauropod (OCCUPY THE WHITE HOUSE! Vote Republican!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Seems obvious to me that it means anyone who doesn’t agree with you. (not you in particular)


3 posted on 01/17/2012 1:46:49 PM PST by cripplecreek (Stand with courage or shut up and do as you're told.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I read the article and my definition of “Establishment” is different from the definition in the article. Likely, there are several variations but I consider myself as “outside of the GOP establishment”.


4 posted on 01/17/2012 1:54:03 PM PST by Jukeman (God help us for we are deep in trouble.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
"There is general philosophical agreement among both Republicans and conservatives about all of this."

The author uses this phraseology, Republicans and conservatives twice in the portion I read. Therefore he, and many others self included, have know for a long time the term RINO is really incorrect.

The Republican Establishment for quite some time now have been CINO's - Conservatives In Name Only! And, unfortunately, they have carried a great number of their rank and file with them!

5 posted on 01/17/2012 2:03:26 PM PST by ImpBill ("America, where are you now?" - Little "r" republican!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
As long as one may obtain both big money and big power through elective or appointive office, the disease will continue.

The boots of Obama and his commissars are on the neck of our freedoms. We are fast approaching, if we are not there already, the point where the best road to personal prosperity will run through employment by the government.

6 posted on 01/17/2012 2:05:37 PM PST by Jacquerie (No court will save us from ourselves.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

While there are many thoughtful people on Red State, the author is missing the point; the author is pointing at a symptom, albeit a huge one - spending, that is only one symptom of a deeper cause, and the root of the deeper division between “the establishment” and the GOP Conservative grass roots; and that is a disconnect between Conservatives and “the establishment” over not so much the “size” of government spending, but the “size” of the role of government itself.

“Spending” could not be the issue it is, if the Constitutional mandates defining the limited role of the Federal government were upheld.

The true “Conservative” task is NOT AS MUCH about reigning in the “size” or the “cost” of the tasks the government undertakes. It is about reigning in the breadth, the depth, the reach and and the role that government tasks can take on in the first place.

The author on Red State ought to know the centrality of this problem - limited government, more than mere lmited spending, and has done a disservice to the Red State readers by ignoring it and focusing on one mere symptom - spending.


7 posted on 01/17/2012 2:08:53 PM PST by Wuli (ffic)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Thanks for this thread.

This is a thoughtful article. It is one that sets aside labels, and focuses on our core beliefs, at least on the topic of money.

I found this quote to be a good summary of the article: “It is, in short, between those who are, and those who are not, willing to take action in the belief that the currently established structure of how public money is spent is unsustainable and must be fixed while it still can if we are not to lose by encroachments the all the other things Republicans and conservatives stand for.”

BTW, the author had the good sense to end his article with it.


11 posted on 01/17/2012 2:40:48 PM PST by Graewoulf (( obama"care" violates the 1890 Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND is illegal by the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
It is, in short, between those who are, and those who are not, willing to take action in the belief that the currently established structure of how public money is spent is unsustainable and must be fixed while it still can if we are not to lose by encroachments the all the other things Republicans and conservatives stand for

Such BullShit.

Read that above sentence, and see if any sane American can defend it.

Plain insanity.

WTF???

12 posted on 01/17/2012 2:55:50 PM PST by USS Alaska (Nuke The Terrorist Savages)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; All
Dan McLaughlin does a poor job of defining the 'establishment' - he's way - way off.

The 'establishment' is, in a nutshell, the entrenched elected members of the federal and state legislatures, and the huge unelected staff of all of these elected office-holding individuals - divided, of course, by political party. Add to that every County and small-town elected member of both political parties - and their staff.

We're not talking about a few people here, that all want to keep their well-paid jobs, and will do or say just about anything to keep them. Counting is difficult, but a ballpark number for just the Republican 'establishment' alone runs over a million.

Opposing this enormous 'establishment' are 'the people' - 90% of which pay almost no attention to what goes on in politics, except for a few minutes just prior to election day, when they look for a voter guide from their union, their friends or their ill-informed neighbor.

13 posted on 01/17/2012 3:10:57 PM PST by Ron C.
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
After reading it -- are you in or out of the "Establishment?"

Are you?
17 posted on 01/17/2012 6:35:20 PM PST by af_vet_rr
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