Check out article, then # 1 through # 42.
See graphic at # 26.
Thanks GregNH
Posted on 01/05/2012 1:02:54 PM PST by Red Steel
If that’s you, Dean, and you have a chance to talk to Duncan or Clara, please tell them that I grieve with them and send them a big hug as one who has been through it myself. I’ve cried many times over their loss. When Researcher told me about their conversation I got off the phone and just had to cry for a while because it brought it all back.
My daughter was stillborn at 42 weeks on January 13, 1993. About a week later President Clinton gave executive orders pushing abortion. Every year about the time when we are remembering the Roe v Wade decision I am remembering my little daughter who is so precious to me.
I would dearly love it if January could be known as the time that Virginia Sunahara’s short but precious life was given the respect it deserves.
This is all a bit hard to follow but I don’t think that we can know for sure that the handwritten number 151-61-11080 is real.
I mean if Virginia’s real BC number is 10641 and it was stolen then it’s not too difficult to believe that all the documents BC and DC would be changed to accommodate the fraud.
It would be soooo sweet if Duncan could find the original BC somewhere in his family records. The one that was issued in 1961.
If they were different then the fraud would be obvious and a nice trap to boot.
Check out article, then # 1 through # 42.
See graphic at # 26.
Thanks GregNH
thanks for the ping...it’s got me tricked, her death announcement on 8th August is shown under the name TOMIYO SUNAHARA. On 29th August she’s shown on the part-document released by Duncan as VIRGINIA. Does that mean TOMIYO was officially dead for two weeks?
And how long was she actually officially dead by the time she was given a name?
It could be construed that Virginia didn’t exist until August 29, couldn’t it?
So what’s going on in Hawaii? Does this indicate they are idiots or something far more...?...interesting
It maybe idiots that lead to something far more interesting....
What is the possibility of a double switch...0 takes B number and B is given C’s number, when someone catches on the 0 being given B’s number?
Seems to me, you have some angels sitting on your shoulders and helping you keep at this issue.
I’ve actually had that thought in mind for a while now, particularly because of the way various entities have been handling the records of another potentially-involved person.
This is why the microfilm roll is so important, and why it is also imperative that the transaction logs and vital records history be examined. Those would show all the changes that anybody made to the various records.
Some of ‘em might be right here at FR. We never know when we might be entertaining angels unawares.
The most important people in this battle right now are the prayer warriors; I’m convinced of that. Those who are in the middle of the battle have no hope of anything if they are not covered in prayer, and I know that some of the people who are in critical positions right now are fully aware of that and asking everyone to cloak them in prayer.
Today I was really feeling sad, dealing with a lot of painful memories. You can go so long remembering the good and keeping an even keel and then sometimes the grief hits you just like it was yesterday. I went to work at the after-school program and found myself tired and moody, with little things irritating me. Right before she left for the day one of the 5th-graders came up to me, wrapped her arms around my neck in a hug, and said, “Bye, Mrs R”. It was just like a hug from the Lord. There must have been something in my voice when I said, “Thank you so much for that, Sabrina”, because her brother also gave me a pat on the shoulder on the way past right after that. Seemingly little things but the Lord knows when we need something to give us strength.
Today it hit me like a rock when it was said on this thread that Clara didn’t get to be transported with Virginia. It hurts just to think about that. I got to hold my baby, even though she had already died by then. I hope Clara got to hold her daughter. I can’t imagine being in a hospital across town from where my daughter was dying. I ache and tear up just thinking about it. And especially coming after somebody was making fun of the Santorum family for allowing their other children to see their child who died, to let them hold the child. Dang, I’m losing it. To hold that child and send them Home with a name. That’s all we can do. I can’t imagine somebody wanting to take even that from us, or to mock us for that.
One of our parishioners called at suppertime; one of the other ladies in our church lost her husband to a heart attack today. Just like that, someone who meant so much can be Home and we’re left to pick up the pieces. What a gift the people in our lives are. And what a gift the Wonderful Counselor is, the Prince of Peace, the Lion of Judah as your tag says.
Hmmm an external audit of the entire department seem on order!
((Hugs))
There is a BIG message in the verse “and Jesus wept”
Those tears are a gift.
My mother lost my sister when I was three. One of my first memories...She never got over it. Eva only lived a day. The equiptment they had ordered that would have saved her life arrive the next week. Today she would have easily survived.
Life is precious.... My first grandson will be here in May. His mother has health issues and is being carefully monitored. Pray that Charlie will continue to thrive.
I noticed that discrepancy myself. Here's the most logical explanation: Just like the "short form" received by Duncan Sunahara was incorrect about the BC number, it also was incorrect about the processing date. If indeed Virginia was issued the same BC number claimed by Obama (10641), her BC was likely processed on August 11th, following shortly after the processing of the second Nordyke twin's BC was processed. Alternatively, Virginia's BC could have been processed on the 12th, but that is less likely. Assuming a Bates stamp system, Virginia's BC could not have been processed on the 10th.
Fox News’ Bret Baier: Hearing Now Set in Georgia Ballot Access Challenge Against Obama
http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2012/01/fox-news-bret-baier-hearing-now-set-in.html
I’ll keep him in my prayers. We have a couple that my husband married whose son, their third child, was born around 24 weeks I think. We were praying for them those last 2-3 weeks before he was born, that they would be able to hold off the delivery one day at a time, knowing that every day could mean the difference between life and death. He’s had several surgeries but they’re thinking he’ll be able to go home later this month.
Another couple that my husband married had the wife become very, very sick for unknown reasons right after the child was born. They were going to do an emergency hysterectomy, just took a brief moment for her to be able to hold her son first and then they took her to surgery not expecting her to survive. We thought we were gonna lose her for about a week. Mother and baby are both fine now; he’s 2 I think and they ended up not doing the hysterectomy. I don’t think they ever did figure out what made her so sick. I’m not sure whether I spent more time praying or crying that week.
Those little ones are just so precious.
At the burial of our daughter my mom said it so well, “Such a small box for so many hopes and dreams.”
Okubo said that the “date filed” was ALMOST always the same as the “date accepted” (when it was given a state file number at the HDOH office) for Oahu births and so the two dates were rolled into one in the computer system. Since they got a COLB it was based on the computerized system and we don’t know which date they had programmed in to be the “date filed” - the date the BC was received, or the date it was numbered.
For routine hospital births the HDOH office would just have to make sure that everything was signed and all the required fields were completed, and then stamp it. But an article printed in a magazine in Sept 1961 (IIRC) described that if there were discrepancies the HDOH and the hospital would work those out. The CDC’s 1961 Natality Report has a flowchart in it showing who was typically responsible for what, and it says that the state registrars were responsible to make sure that the record was complete and then number the certificate.
What I suspect happened is that the death certificate arrived at the HDOH within 3 days as required by law - which would have been by Monday or Tuesday, which is the same day that another Wahiawa BC was sent to the HDOH office. It is also the same “date filed” that is on Obama’s forgeries.
The death certificate was supposed to be cross-linked with the BC (as you can see on the death certificate) so when the death certificate came in they knew to be looking for the birth certificate to match it with. But there was a discrepancy because the medical examiner had wrongly put Tomiyo as the first name on the death certificate (which is why the name was wrong in the death announcement in the newspapers).
So even though they received the BC on 8-8, they didn’t number it that day because they had to contact both hospitals to find out which name was correct - Virginia, or Tomiyo. They wouldn’t have wanted to number the BC before that issue was resolved because once the file receives a number they have to go through an official amendment to the BC in order to change it. IIRC, “Researcher” said that Clara said there hadn’t been an amendment to the name on the birth certificate so the BC must have had the right name.
That took a few days to figure out and when they had that answer they numbered the BC.
So this would have been one of the rare cases where an Oahu hospital BC was NOT numbered on the same day it was filed, because the BC had to be matched with a death certificate and there was a discrepancy between the two.
My guess is that the death certificate that Duncan received is a fabrication. The legal requirements for the filing of both birth and death certificates don’t leave time for the name correction on the death certificate to have happened 24 days after the birth (IIRC the handwritten date on the DC correction was 8-28).
Obama’s people probably thought the “date filed” and BC# combination was unimpeachable on Obama’s forgery because it came from a real situation. But that real situation was also a very unique situation - where the child died and the name on the death certificate wasn’t right so extra time for clarification was needed. As Okubo implied in her statements, only a very unique situation would result in a “date filed” not being the same as the date a BC was given a BC#.
So that “date filed” and BC# make sense for a situation like Sunahara’s - a unique situation we would not know about except for the newspaper announcement of her death using the name “Tomiyo”. They DON’T make sense for a supposedly routine hospital birth at Kapiolani, which is what Obama tried using it for.
Couldn’t sleep so I get up and read this. If this doesn’t make you want to go to Hawaii and rip the door of the vault....
Every time I have a major issue in my life it always seems that somehow the Lord finds a way to help. I can’t tell how many times I have listened to my pastors sermon and just look up and say “how did you know?”
I have been motivated to keep at this for many reasons. I have been asked to give it up many times. After reading this I will never give up. Tomiyo has spoken.
Oh My! He does look serious, doesn’t he?
Tomio Sunahara standing in a field in the Maritime Alps. Champagne Campaign. Maritime Alps, France.
Winter 1944-Spring 1945
http://memory.hawaii.edu/object/io_1195352535465.html
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