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To: Jack of all Trades

coal is cheap.

there are 14,000 BTUs per lob of coal. figure about 15 to 20 cents per million BTUs. A coal power plant is about 85% efficient. That’s about as far as I can get. I don’t know the conversion from BTUs to KWh off hand. Figure about 50% line losses in the power lines.

Doing the math, you will find that an electric vehicle is amazingly efficient. But what you are not accounting for is the waste heat off a gasoline engine that is used to heat the car in winter. That 35% efficient gasoline car goes up in efficiency in the winter if you count the free heat, and the efficiency of electric cars goes down even if you don’t heat the car interior.


38 posted on 01/03/2012 12:17:25 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: mamelukesabre

that was supposed to read

per lb of coal, not per lob of coal


41 posted on 01/03/2012 12:21:10 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: mamelukesabre
A coal power plant is about 85% efficient.

No way, not by a long shot.

You may get the efficiency from the boiler alone, but the overall plant efficiency, energy into the plant versus energy deliveried to the customers is going to be around 30~35%.

http://web.mit.edu/mitei/docs/reports/beer-emissions.pdf

Specialized plants today can reach into the 40's of efficiency, but you still have transmission/distribution losses to get the electricity to the consumer.

55 posted on 01/03/2012 12:55:06 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: mamelukesabre

Yes, there’s the cabin heat issue. There’s also the energy storage issue, the recharging time issue, the low temp operating issue, the durability issue, and a bunch of others.

It’s almost like the fossil fueled internal combustion engine was arrived at by engineering a bunch of compromises over a long period of time, isn’t it? Naaaahhh, it must be an evil conspiracy by big oil. /sarc


56 posted on 01/03/2012 12:55:32 PM PST by Jack of all Trades (Hold your face to the light, even though for the moment you do not see.)
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To: mamelukesabre
Another comparison:

The average global efficiency of coal-fired plants is currently 28% compared to 45% for the most efficient plants (see graph).

61 posted on 01/03/2012 12:59:55 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: mamelukesabre
..the conversion from BTUs to KWh ...

1 KWh is roughly 3500 BTUs.

89 posted on 01/05/2012 7:12:22 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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