Grandfather of Obamacare Newt helped to implement many features of HillaryCare

The Bachmann Cometh ^ | Saturday, December 17, 2011 | Chris

[conservativeBC]

An M.D. at the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (leaders in the fight against HillaryCare and now ObamaCare) points out that Newt Gingrich helped to stop HillaryCare, only to turn around and implement many of its features later on.

Newt Gingrich and other Republicans promise to repeal ObamaCare, but doctors remember what they did in 1996. Just after they “defeated” ClintonCare, they changed its name and enacted the very worst parts of it. more

He'll betray us again if he's president.

Gingrich is a big government statist. Only a fool would think this zebra has changed its stripes.

[kjo]

...and Romney won’t???

Past time for a serious, serious, third party movement. We need a conservative populist, perhaps Palin?

There gotta be somebody out there who loves this country enough to not become a typical Washington insider.

But who?

[IbJensen]

Who?

Perhaps Jim Demint will see that he is desperately needed and jump in to clobber Newt and Mitt! This nation can’t withstand either one of these globalist, big government addicts.

[sodpoodle]

Unfortunately, the mind-set of the public regarding who should pay for hospital and physicians has been captured by the socialist Medicaid and Medicare programs.

Now the conservative politicians can only modify and tweek them.

Group health insurance has been co-opted by the Unions.
Private health insurance is governed by the States.
Since Medicaid forces hospitals and physicians to treat anyone for free - taxpayers have decided they should get something for their investment.

Tough road ahead to abolish Government programs and regulations related to the health industry - and it is an industry.

[kjo]

Don’t know alot about Demint...but willing to take a hard look.

Can’t see voting for any of the major GOP candidates next fall.

[Diogenesis]

Look!!!!! There go Ms. and Ms. RomneyCARE (in love).

[VanDeKoik]

Still no attack on Mitt?

Get back to us when she manages that.

[IbJensen]

This upcoming election appears to be a choice between POISON (Obozo) and POISON LITE (Romney or Gingrich).

Taking the Lite will mean our demise will take longer while the Poison will finish the job that Obozo has practically completed in one term.

[IbJensen]

With the current lineup it’s too bad that Bachmann didn’t do better. We really haven’t a candidate now unless someone,like I’ve said before, Demint decides to take center stage.

[Tennessean4Bush]

Good grief you are nuts.

The criticism here on Fr of every GOP candidate is ridiculous.

[rawcatslyentist]

>"Gingrich is a big government statist."

Vote for the Socialist of your choice!!!

[Utmost Certainty]

Oh come on people. If we're going to eat our own, can we at least be intellectually honest cannibals about it?

I just saw a Freeper here sum up the 'individual mandate' of Newt's:

"Ah ah ah - not so fast my friend. The mandate he supported (along with The Heritage Foundation and many others) was an individual responsibility mandate - which could be met by either an insurance product, a HSA type product OR a bond (meaning basically you swear that you will be financially responsible for your own care.) It was based on the principle of individual responsiblity.

Now, I am not supporting that, but I am pointing out that it is not very close at all to the Obama Care mandate, which means you must by products they approve of which will be expensive and cover everything their liberal social engineers want like sex change operations and viagra and so on. The Obama Care mandate is based on the liberal template of bureaucratic control.

Now, why Newt has been ineloquent in explaining this is beyond me, but “a mandate is not necessarily a mandate.” Again, not supporting either, but they are rather different."

There's also a supporting video here where Newt explains:

"GINGRICH: If I see somebody who's earning over $50,000 a year, who has made the calculated decision not to buy health insurance, I'm looking at somebody who is absolutely as irresponsible as anyone who was ever on welfare. Because what they've said is, A, I'm gambling that I won't get sick, and B, I'm gambling that if I do get sick, I can cheat all my neighbors. Now, when you talk to hospitals, a very significant part of their non-collectibles are people who have money, but have calculated it's not worth the cost to pay. And so I'm actually in favor of finding a way to say, whatever the appropriate level of income is, you ought to have either health insurance, or you ought to post a bond. But we have no right in this society to have a free rider approach, if we're well off economically, to cheat our neighbors."

Stop this ridiculous myth already.

[ncalburt]

Gee A new. Arrival sone only Aug 2011 !

So are you a Paul bot or Romney bot or
Obama bot ?

Who are you trolling for ?

[ncalburt]

Poster is an election troll .
Signed up in Aug 2011 !
I suspect a Romney troll or Paul nutter .

[conservativeBC]

Mitt has no chance of getting teaparty votes... He can’t win.

He is not a concern

[conservativeBC]

[mike_9958]

“Poster is an election troll”

I believe you are correct or worse they are dem antagonists.

I think it would be one of many strategies to disenfranchise conservatives by getting on this site (and others) and bad mouthing our candidates.

I'm already seeing conservatives who will “sit out” if their guy or gal isn't the nominee - which is great if you are democrat - it'll be 2008 all over again.

We ought to be thinking of ways to disenfranchise the opposition, like getting on their websites and touting Obama made up conservative creds.

[ncalburt]

I think your right .
Axelrod perfected astroturfing and uses trills like this clown.
Romney and Paul have quite a few here too .
They have switch there cover to Bachman as a cover.

[Notary Sojac]

Newt apparently reached the conclusion that we are NOT going to repeal the law that requires hospitals to treat anyone who shows up at their doors. (That law was passed by a GOP congress and signed by Reagan, BTW)

With that as a given, the idea of requiring everyone to carry employer-based, or individual insurance, or post a bond, is not unrealistic.

[sodpoodle]

Excellent point.

For all his curiosity and capacity for exploring options, new ideas etc., Newt is a realist.

The Federal Government is too big and too intrusive; part paternalistic, part problem solver, but mostly parasitic.

We are a diverse republic of 310 million individuals - but unfortunately, too many politicians think of as an unruly herd of sheep. -