Triple Lutz Report--Kiss the Bill of Rights Goodbye

www.KerryLutz.com ^ | 12-8-11 | Kerry Lutz

[appeal2]

As reported by Greg Hunter of www.UsaWatchDog.com, the recent passage of the National Defense Authorization Act (Senate Bill 1867), otherwise known as the “Indefinite Detention Bill,” should scare the heck out of anyone who loves the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights. This bill effectively hands over control to the military to arrest, torture and even kill terrorists on American soil. It also allows the military to hold suspected terrorists indefinitely without a trial or due process. This applies to both non-citizens and citizens of the United States! With this bill, you are not innocent until proven guilty. You are guilty until proven innocent, and you may never get a trial to defend yourself. There is surprisingly little written in the mainstream media about this Senate bill that passed 93 to 7 at the end of November.

There has been very little reporting of this provision in the traditional media. Evidently, they don’t find it important enough to inform you of yet another move towards totalitarianism. it is also of note that the military wants no part of this new power. Everyone from the Secretary of Defense to the CIA to the FBI, think it’s a bad idea. President Obama has threatened to veto it, but we’ll see if he follows through.

Listen to the Report

[appeal2]

Freedom is hanging by a thread and now our last hope may be BHO, doesn't sound like much of a hope at all. So much for Hope and Change.

[RonInNaples]

Quote: “You are guilty until proven innocent, and you may never get a trial to defend yourself.”

Have to disagree with this statement. Truth is, you are guilty - period - and may well be dead before any opportunity presents itself to prove yourself innocent. Predator drone buzzes over and you are history, you enemy of the State! Yep, coming to a community near you here in the Land of the Free-only-if-we-say-you-are.

[Bloody Sam Roberts]

The royals can write all the 'laws' they want. As for me, I would rather die willingly standing up...fighting for my God given rights, if they try to arrest me for being a Tea Partier, a Republican or whatever...than live on my knees licking the boots of someone who isn't fit to wipe my arse.

And I ain't kidding.

[SkyDancer]

I guess now we'll know how the Japanese-Americans felt after Pearl Harbor. Interestingly it was only the west coast Japanese esp. those with businesses that were interned. The Japanese in Hawaii weren't.

While Japanese-Americans comprised the overwhelming majority of those in the camps, thousands of Americans of German, Italian, and other European descent were also forced to relocate there. Many more were classified as "enemy aliens" and subject to increased restrictions.

Read more:

Japanese Internment in World War II — Infoplease.com http://www.infoplease.com/spot/internment1.html#ixzz1fyWxtkkd

[Forgotten Amendments]

The little old ladies who write checks to the state worshiping GOP and the neocon foundations must be kept afraid at all times. So, you won't hear a word about this on FNC or “conservative” talk radio.

Who cares about The Constitution? We have Republicans to elect and adjustable beds to sell! Anybody who cares about this must be a libertarian crackpot... /sarc

[556x45]

If Barry does sign this we’ll find out why the Founders thought a standing army was a bad thing. I know so many here faun all over our military. They seem unaware that the thing they love to love will willing kill them at the behest of their masters in DC.

[Forgotten Amendments]

While Japanese-Americans comprised the overwhelming majority of those in the camps, thousands of Americans of German, Italian, and other European descent were also forced to relocate there.

(If you're old enough to know who he is) Gino Marchetti's Mom was in an internment camp while he was fighting in The Battle of the Bulge!

[GOPJ]

There has been very little reporting of this provision in the traditional media.

IF 'the press' isn't looking at this it's BECAUSE dems who feed them stories aren't giving them this one.

From that we can assume dems aren't worried this will be used against any of their pet victim groups - not blacks, not Muslims and not criminals. Dems must think it'll be used against conservative citizens... and that they're OK with...

[Ajnin]

This bill effectively hands over control to the military to arrest, torture and even kill terrorists on American soil. It also allows the military to hold suspected terrorists indefinitely without a trial or due process. This applies to both non-citizens and citizens of the United States! With this bill, you are not innocent until proven guilty

This bill specifically exludes US citizens and legal residents. It's rather irritating, expecting Feeper's to do their due dilligence on reporting about a topic only to find out that their post is sensationalistic hysteria.

We're becoming the Daily Kos.

[tacticalogic]

If Barry does sign this we’ll find out why the Founders thought a standing army was a bad thing.

The only problem with Obama trying to use them is the people he'd be rounding up are spread all over "flyover country". There isn't near enough military to do it all at once, and he'd have a full-scale civil war on his hands not long after they started.

[Talisker]

This bill specifically exludes US citizens and legal residents. It's rather irritating, expecting Feeper's to do their due dilligence on reporting about a topic only to find out that their post is sensationalistic hysteria. We're becoming the Daily Kos.

As many analysts have seen, and as has been debated on the floor of Congress itself, through simple legal construction via the 14th Amendment, this Bill can easily be made to include everyone, of every possible jurisdictional definition. Through your stupid, stupid post, your utter ignorance of this crucial legal concept is now not just limited to you, but has been spread to everyone who reads your foolishness about this literally deadly law.

Be quiet about things you don't understand, and spare the rest of humanity from your belligerence while they strive to protect the safety you enjoy.

[Cboldt]

-- This bill specifically exludes US citizens and legal residents. --

The language as passed by the Senate requires military detention for those who are not US citizens, and does not require, but allows it, for US citizens.

The bill is headed for House/Senate conference in the vehicle of HR 1540 - National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2012. Who knows what will emerge from that.

[SkyDancer]

No, I don’t but I will definitely look him up.

[calex59]

than live on my knees licking the boots of someone who isn't fit to wipe my arse.

And I ain't kidding.

Even though Frank Sinatra wasn't exactly a pillar of conservatism he said it well in the Song "My Way" the last Stanza: "For what is a man what has he got

If not himself then he has not

To say the things he truly feels

And not the words of one who kneels"

I think those words express what you are talking about altho they were not said in exactly that context they mean the same thing, and I agree wholeheartedly. I would rather die fighting then to kneel to some a**hat who thinks they can just take away the God given freedoms I, and every person, were born with.

[The Working Man]

Amazing... It was only a few years ago that I began to feel more secure and safe as an American citizen. Now though? I feel that the Federal Government of the United States is trying possibly even desperately trying to bring about a second civil war. Only this time if the Feds win we will all lose. Lose our liberties, our freedoms and probably our lives.

I’m not really sure what I feel. I’m numb right now looking into a future that is rapidly growing clearer as the smoke and muddy paths get washed away and I hate what I am seeing.

[KrisKrinkle]

Don’t let the dipsticks get you down.

When looked into, I see this as about belligerents (US citizens or not) engaging in hostilities against the United States, and an attempt to treat them similarly to lawful combatants and prisoners of war under the Law of Armed Conflict. There’s a problem there because terrorists can’t be lawful combatants or prisoners of war, as far as I know. (The Law of Armed Conflict may need to be updated to address the current circumstances.)

Note that prisoners of war can be kept till the end of hostilities, that is indefinitely.

Is there a danger that the subject authority will be misused? You bet there is, but then authority is misused on a regular basis as it is, and “they” don’t need this law to do what people seem to be afraid of. People disappear every day.

[LucyT]

There has been very little reporting of this provision in the traditional media.

Evidently, they don’t find it important enough to inform you of yet another move towards totalitarianism.

It is also of note that the military wants no part of this new power.

Everyone from the Secretary of Defense to the CIA to the FBI, think it’s a bad idea. - resident 0bama has threatened to veto it, but we’ll see if he follows through.

GOPJ wrote:

"IF 'the press' isn't looking at this it's BECAUSE dems who feed them stories aren't giving them this one.

"From that we can assume dems aren't worried this will be used against any of their pet victim groups - not blacks, not mozleems and not criminals. Dems must think it'll be used against conservative citizens... and that they're OK with..."

. . . . Check out Article. - Interesting response at # 11.

[Ajnin]

With the current adminsitration it’s rather a moot point what the bill actually states. What I find problematic is the trend here to intentionally inflame conservatives by not truthfully and accurately explaining legislation.

Any legislation is dangerous under this administration unfortunately the message gets tainted by not telling the truth.

[GOPJ]

I tend to trust your judgement and I might have overreacted... Are you saying this bill is OK?

[Ajnin]

I tend to trust your judgement and I might have overreacted... Are you saying this bill is OK

I wouldn't trust a bill nullifying all gun laws from this administration.

We know this administration is lawless. If America continues down the road of tyranny Americans will be jailed w/o trial regardless of what the law says. Certain parts of the bill seem superfluous in achieving Obama's agenda. I have a concern that this law is meant to incite violence.