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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Has Mr. Trump ever opined Obama is not a natural born citizen?

No he has not..if he does this means his kids are not natural born citizens.

He talks only the birth certificate.


3 posted on 12/07/2011 12:27:43 AM PST by bushpilot1
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To: bushpilot1

How can Mr. Obama be a natural born citizen if his father was Kenyan? The birth certificate being “real” or not is beside the point.


4 posted on 12/07/2011 12:31:44 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.~Admiral Yamamoto)
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To: bushpilot1
Has Mr. Trump ever opined Obama is not a natural born citizen?

Having read so much of your historical research I assume your fingers assumed what we all know, but wanted to clarify for those who haven't followed as closely as you have, Of course you are referring to the occupier of the White House's father, Barack Obama I, or Barack Obama Sr. If you assume that Barack Jr. is, as he himself claims, a 14th Amendment citizen, as was Wong Kim Ark,then because Barack and Michelle are citizens, with Michelle a natural born citizen, their children would be natural born, but Barack II, the aspiring golf pro, is not.

For those who may have tried, but gave up the pursuit of the definition of a natural born citizen when the press told you “Because the term is nowhere defined in our Constitution” and assumed that the authorities in the media were telling the truth, here is the truth: The “...nowhere defined” statement is evil sophistry. Try to find any of the terms used in the Constitution defined therein. James Madison, among a number of the Framers, explained that terms used in the Constitution must be interpreted in the common language at the time it was written. For that reason, definitions were explicitly omitted, except for one exception, which I leave as an exercise. The exception was to define a special use of just one term. In other words, definitions were intentionally not in the Constitution. The announcement that natural born citizen was not defined in the Constitution is like saying

The Supreme Court recognizes two kinds of definitions, those from the common-law of the framers and those resulting from a necessary clarification of a term for use in a decision resulting from the Supreme Court's interpretation of The Constitution - positive law or precedence. For one of dozens of clear recitations of the common law I prefer Chief Justice John Marshall's citation from our nation's first law book in our first law school, Vattel’s Law of Nations, cited in The Venus, 12 US 253, “The natives or indigenes are those born in the country of parents who are citizens.”

The equivalence of “natives” with natural born citizens was not doubted at the time, but confirmed when the definition citied by Marshall was made positive law by Chief Justice Morrison Waite in Minor v. Happersett. “At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens,...”

Why was this not widely discussed while Obama was running for the presidency? Because constitutional law, and natural born citizenship has been an obscure corner of the law. Most citizens are natural born, but only the president is required to be natural born. So those looking for the definition did what most citizens, and even most law students do these days, they searched the Internet for relevant case law. In a nutshell, two progressive lawyers, one working directly for George Soros’ Society for American Progress, Carl Malamud, and the other a close associate, Tim Stanley who is associated with Google, and who is CEO of Justia.com, Google’s most frequently provided reference to those searching for cases which include mention of “natural born citizen.” They edited most of the Supreme Court cases citing Minor v. Happersett to throw inquiries off the trail. They removed a whole paragraph from the key case using the language that specifies precedence, Ex. Parte Lockwood, at Cornell Law School's web site. That none in the press have had the courage to note this signals how far down the path away from republic based upon a Constitution we have gone.

These twenty five or more edits were made during the Summer of 2008. They knew what to hide. They know Obama was ineligible and they knew exactly were the defintion, stare decisis, was to be found. After being discovered by Leo Donofrio, Dianna Cotter and a number of others, Stanley could not deny the corrupted cases; they existed on paper in Supreme Court Archives, Archives which Stanley claimed he was making public to enhance our understanding of our foundations. Stanley had his staff correct the edited documents and blocked all access to the Internet archives, The Wayback Machine, so that the public could see what else he might have corrupted, and confirm exactly when the cases were edited. Fortunately, having experience with Obama supporter's scrubbing of evidence, screen captures were made before publishing the perfidy of Stanley and team at Justia.

Our law, precedence, both common law and positive law, confirms that the definition of a natural born citizen is someone born on our soil, of parents who are our citizens.

10 posted on 12/07/2011 2:53:02 AM PST by Spaulding
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To: bushpilot1

There is so much that’s unknown about Obama, which I believe some is incredibly damaging, that Trump could probably find a lot of dirt on Obama that would destroy him even without the birth certificate, but if Obama is shown to be ineligible he should do prison time.


15 posted on 12/07/2011 3:59:33 AM PST by ThermoNuclearWarrior (Herman Cain should reactivate his campaign and fight to the end, or the 2012 election is over for me)
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To: bushpilot1

>>...if he does this means his kids are not natural born citizens...<<

Back when this was the hot topic, I recall reading a quote where he said only one of his children (Tiffany) would qualify as natural-born.


22 posted on 12/07/2011 5:11:43 AM PST by jaydee770
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To: bushpilot1
He talks only the birth certificate.

Trump only PRETENDS to talk about the birth certificate. By now many credentialed people have come forward to say that they have examined one or both of the images released on April 27, 2011, and have found them to be fraudulent. They have explained their reasoning too. The only people who have asserted that one or both of the images are genuine are party hacks or English professors who blow smoke.

If Trump had been an honest broker, Obama would be in prison now.

ML/NJ

23 posted on 12/07/2011 5:12:24 AM PST by ml/nj
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