Behold the magnificent clock everyone's talking about!
Posted on 12/06/2011 6:22:41 AM PST by Johnny B.
This claim is made for two reasons:
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On the Vortex mailing list, "Aussi Guy E-Cat" claimed that he had an agreement to purchase a large E-Cat from Rossi. For weeks, he's been boasting that this proved that Rossi was legit.
Now, he has published the following:
At Rossi's suggestion we have taken a step back and will wait for the technical specs of the high temperature 1 MW E-Cat plant to be published before we continue our discussions to present Rossi with a purchase order.Amazingly, Aussi Guy E-Cat seems to think that this provides additional evidence that Rossi is, somehow, legit.
Since I've strongly suspected that Rossi was running an investor scam, this is exactly what I would expect to see. Rossi can't produce a working E-Cat, so he will string along potential customers, while continuing to collect investor's money.
Just an interesting bit of new information on what continues to look like a scam.
It looks like he’s taking refundable deposits. He can use all that money on account to attract more “investors.” It’s a proven scam tactic.
He can use all that money on account to attract more “investors.He claims to have collected his 10,000 "customers" from his web-base sign-up form. This is one claim of Rossi's that I believe.
Imagine how excited investors will be that he has over 10,000 customers lined up. They'll be chomping at the bit to "buy in" to such a business, whether he's actually delivered anything or not.
What a shock.
At $1000 a pop that would be $10 million on deposit, plus the deposits for the cargo container ecat. According to your link, here's how it will work. Rossi won't take deposits until he has established a specification. The specification will be beyond the current performance of the ecat. Since Rossi is such an upstanding individual, he wouldn't dream of selling an ecat until it is working at 100% specification. This will give him time to collect more investors. By law, investors put all their money at risk. They will be told that their money is being used to bring the ecat up to specification, and then all that deposit money will grow five fold as the ecats are sold.
Of course, the ecat will never perform up to specification. Rossi will squirrel away all the investor's money until he goes bankrupt. The deposit money will be returned and the investors will be left holding the bag. It may be just legal enough for prosecutors to leave him alone. And if he appears broke, civil lawyers will be unwilling to take the case. Plus Rossi has experience running from the law.
Rossi will claim that he never really knew how the ecat worked, and that it never did work right. There is ample evidence for both claims, and would explain the crappy demos (Kevmo's words). He can also claim that legitimate scientists encouraged him, said scientists being in on the scam. At last he'll say that the investors should have done their due diligence.
E-cat for energy, I’m awfully sorry, I understand where you got the idea that our beautiful, timeless E-cats last practically forever but where does it say in our brochures that you get more energy in that you get out. You do get hours of staring at our cute kitteh and they are truly hypnotizing. Both little kids and older children love them. While we would like to, our sales contract says that under no circumstances do we offer a return simply because they are so reliable using a proprietary catalyst.
Our company is listed on the NYC stock exchange so if you want to make money, we’ve got a new product that will blow people’s brains. Since you are unhappy with you clock, we have an investment opportunity that is out of this world.
We’re expanding our production and at the same time, we’re 100% sure that every house in America will want one. You can either watch your friends get rich or, as I would do, keep it under my head until the product launches, then buy as many shares as possible. You watch those brokers and underwriters, they’re not going to know what hit them. If you invest now,before or on January 30, 2012, our stock will be worth so much it’s like stamping gold ingots. You must not tell ANYONE this news, just set back, invest your fund and become richer that you wildest dreams!
Behold the magnificent clock everyone's talking about!
“There is one potential problem with this measurement, though. Imagine that the wall socket is rewired to have both contacts “hot” and none are “neutral.” Then the device, measured this way, would be able to draw double the power, with return current going through the ground connection that is done via pipes (if there is such a connection.) The reason for this is that Lewan didn’t measure the direction of current flow in all wires. In a properly functioning outlet current flows out of the hot terminal, goes through the load, and returns through the neutral terminal. The sum of both currents should be zero, and that can be checked by clamping the meter on both hot and neutral wires. Did he do that? In a rigged system both terminals would be hot, and the current would flow in the same direction over both wires. The clamp over them together would show double the current. The drawback of this rigging is that a regular load wouldn’t work in that outlet. “
What your saying is not correct. If he were using two phases of hot and no neutral it be running on 220 OR 240 and there would be no reason for a ground except for safety. Yes he could do that, but it would be easily detected with an voltmeter.
Don’t you think someone would have checked the voltage?
Someone? From the crowd of reporters that can't or won't measure anything professionally? You must be joking :-) If they could measure things then they'd need one and only one test, and it would be still going strong, ready to be seen by anyone who wants to. Not bits and pieces of incompatible experiments that are ran for a couple of hours (for a de-facto perpetuum mobile) and then suddenly stopped for no reason.
Of course I don't imply that the test was rigged exactly as I described. Probably not. But it's a possibility, and we are discussing possibilities here, in absence of facts.
“Of course I don’t imply that the test was rigged exactly as I described. Probably not. But it’s a possibility, and we are discussing possibilities here, in absence of facts.”
In absence of facts, why don’t we just wait and see? I’ve commented on a number of these threads, and I’ve never taken a position on the e-cat thing.
I do have an engineering background, and spent over thirty years as an HP engineer. With the level of complexity of this thing, testing should be trivial.
Some say that Rossi education (qualifications so to say) to invent such a thing means that it can’t work. That is total BS... I work with a person daily on particle accelerator experiments that has over 100 patents (half granted and half applied for) that has only a high school education.
The fact is, that if Rossi had a clasic physics education there would be no e-cat because he never would have worked on it in the first place.
I don’t know if it will work, but there is no point in all of this negativity. If he can make it work that’s great, if not - so what... It may or may not turn out to work, but I bet he believes it does. The worst thing that could happen, would be that it does work and he gives up on it and we never benefit from it.
In absence of facts, why don’t we just wait and see? I’ve commented on a number of these threads, and I’ve never taken a position on the e-cat thing.In the "absence of facts" and since you have "never taken a position", why do you feel the need to comment at all?
With the level of complexity of this thing, testing should be trivial.And yet, after a year's worth of dog & pony shows, Rossi still hasn't shown conclusively that he has a device that really does produce more energy than it consumes.
Some say that Rossi education (qualifications so to say) to invent such a thing means that it can’t work. That is total BSIt isn't the fact that he doesn't appear to have a Doctorate, but that he's lied about the degrees he does have. There's also the fact that he's been convicted a number of times for a variety of criminal fraud activities in Italy over the course of a decade.
Does that mean an man with a long history of fraud can't make a physics breakthrough? Of course not. But it does mean that you shouldn't take his word for anything, since he has demonstrated numerous times that he is willing to commit fraud to make money.
I don’t know if it will work, but there is no point in all of this negativity.There is no point in all this mindless optimism. Rossi has a history of criminal fraud, including fake inventions that supposedly work far better than anything in existence, but which actually don't work at all.
His current behavior makes no sense if he really does have a breakthrough, but it makes perfect sense if he is pulling a con.
Since Rossi isn't giving us anything useful to discuss, we are left with speculation. If you don't want to play, then don't.
Because it's against human nature :-)
I’ve never taken a position on the e-cat thing.
I have a position on individual experiments and individual measurements. Here, for example, I criticize an incompetent measurement of consumed power, which has more holes than Swiss cheese. Elsewhere I doubted the claim that in case of failure of cooling the reaction stops when the nickel powder melts (it'd be too late for the copper case of the reactor then.) Each of these observations are purely technical, not emotional. The purpose of them is to prove - or disprove - some of the statements that fly around the eCat.
I do have an engineering background
Same here, with initial education in analog (RF) telecommunications and now working with mixed signal hardware. I guess you worked for HP before it cast Agilent away :-) I worked with A for a while.
Some say that Rossi education (qualifications so to say) to invent such a thing means that it can’t work
I don't say such a thing; it would be too easy to disprove by pointing at Edison. Besides, I wouldn't even care if Rossi is an illiterate vagrant who liberated the eCat from an alien spaceship :-) I try to focus on the message, not on the messenger.
“Where would you get a customer who for the duration of several hours not even once looks at the control panel of that generator? “ - GS
So what was the name of this customer that seems to act irrationally?
What do flawed tests and secretive announcements of satisfied customers tend to support, a process that is on the up and up, or a scam?
The fact is, that if Rossi had a clasic physics education there would be no e-cat because he never would have worked on it in the first place.
***Interesting viewpoint. There are some in classic physics who have worked on it, but they have had to endure career-limiting scorn from their peers. This might be why it takes someone like Rossi to push past this ridiculous phase — he isn’t afraid of scorn, obviously does not care what mainstream scientists think.
Funny how scientists who have worked on muon catalyzed cold fusion don't have that problem.
This will be my standard post to moonboy that says you’re not worth trying to have reasonable discussion, also says “buzz off” & doesn’t leave crickets. But if it offends you to the point that you get it removed like my prior innocuous citation then I’ll have to come up with some other ‘ignore button’ post.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/2800058/posts?page=55#55
To: Moonman62
This means I have nothing more to say to you about LENR. Bye.
55 posted on Sunday, October 30, 2011 4:41:07 PM by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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I heard on the radio today that there are massive investigations going on regarding investment scams targeting baby boomers all across the United States.
Rossi is going to Prison, it is only a matter of time.
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