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To: Greysard

“Of course I don’t imply that the test was rigged exactly as I described. Probably not. But it’s a possibility, and we are discussing possibilities here, in absence of facts.”

In absence of facts, why don’t we just wait and see? I’ve commented on a number of these threads, and I’ve never taken a position on the e-cat thing.

I do have an engineering background, and spent over thirty years as an HP engineer. With the level of complexity of this thing, testing should be trivial.

Some say that Rossi education (qualifications so to say) to invent such a thing means that it can’t work. That is total BS... I work with a person daily on particle accelerator experiments that has over 100 patents (half granted and half applied for) that has only a high school education.

The fact is, that if Rossi had a clasic physics education there would be no e-cat because he never would have worked on it in the first place.

I don’t know if it will work, but there is no point in all of this negativity. If he can make it work that’s great, if not - so what... It may or may not turn out to work, but I bet he believes it does. The worst thing that could happen, would be that it does work and he gives up on it and we never benefit from it.


90 posted on 12/09/2011 10:57:33 PM PST by babygene (Figures don't lie, but liars can figure...)
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To: babygene
In absence of facts, why don’t we just wait and see? I’ve commented on a number of these threads, and I’ve never taken a position on the e-cat thing.
In the "absence of facts" and since you have "never taken a position", why do you feel the need to comment at all?
With the level of complexity of this thing, testing should be trivial.
And yet, after a year's worth of dog & pony shows, Rossi still hasn't shown conclusively that he has a device that really does produce more energy than it consumes.
Some say that Rossi education (qualifications so to say) to invent such a thing means that it can’t work. That is total BS
It isn't the fact that he doesn't appear to have a Doctorate, but that he's lied about the degrees he does have. There's also the fact that he's been convicted a number of times for a variety of criminal fraud activities in Italy over the course of a decade.

Does that mean an man with a long history of fraud can't make a physics breakthrough? Of course not. But it does mean that you shouldn't take his word for anything, since he has demonstrated numerous times that he is willing to commit fraud to make money.

I don’t know if it will work, but there is no point in all of this negativity.
There is no point in all this mindless optimism. Rossi has a history of criminal fraud, including fake inventions that supposedly work far better than anything in existence, but which actually don't work at all.

His current behavior makes no sense if he really does have a breakthrough, but it makes perfect sense if he is pulling a con.

Since Rossi isn't giving us anything useful to discuss, we are left with speculation. If you don't want to play, then don't.

91 posted on 12/10/2011 3:00:47 AM PST by Johnny B.
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To: babygene
In absence of facts, why don’t we just wait and see?

Because it's against human nature :-)

I’ve never taken a position on the e-cat thing.

I have a position on individual experiments and individual measurements. Here, for example, I criticize an incompetent measurement of consumed power, which has more holes than Swiss cheese. Elsewhere I doubted the claim that in case of failure of cooling the reaction stops when the nickel powder melts (it'd be too late for the copper case of the reactor then.) Each of these observations are purely technical, not emotional. The purpose of them is to prove - or disprove - some of the statements that fly around the eCat.

I do have an engineering background

Same here, with initial education in analog (RF) telecommunications and now working with mixed signal hardware. I guess you worked for HP before it cast Agilent away :-) I worked with A for a while.

Some say that Rossi education (qualifications so to say) to invent such a thing means that it can’t work

I don't say such a thing; it would be too easy to disprove by pointing at Edison. Besides, I wouldn't even care if Rossi is an illiterate vagrant who liberated the eCat from an alien spaceship :-) I try to focus on the message, not on the messenger.

92 posted on 12/10/2011 9:08:31 AM PST by Greysard
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To: babygene

The fact is, that if Rossi had a clasic physics education there would be no e-cat because he never would have worked on it in the first place.
***Interesting viewpoint. There are some in classic physics who have worked on it, but they have had to endure career-limiting scorn from their peers. This might be why it takes someone like Rossi to push past this ridiculous phase — he isn’t afraid of scorn, obviously does not care what mainstream scientists think.


94 posted on 12/12/2011 9:27:46 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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