"May". Your title is a complete bullsh*t lie. He did not say "solves" as in present tense "does solve". Nice try at propaganda. You are obviously an idiot with reading comprehension problems.
Posted on 12/03/2011 12:27:29 AM PST by Kevmo
NASA’s Bushnell: BTW LENR Solves Global Climate and Energy
admin on December 2, 2011 — 9 Comments
The long-awaited details from Dennis Bushnell’s Sep 22, 2011 presentation have surfaced. They are still not on the official site (bottom of page) and I can’t find the original through Google, so I put a slight cautionary note here that the contents have yet to be verified. Believe it or not, these are just some of the points he makes. None of them will surprise many of you reading this but even so and coming from someone famed for sticking his neck out like Dennis Bushnell, I still have to say, Wow!
Over 2 decades with over 100 experiments worldwide indicate LENR is real, much greater than Chemical, Transmutations, Minimal radiation
The many Rossi demonstrations in 2011 suggest LENR may produce”useful” quantities of heat [up to 15KWs ?]. Watts-to-Kilowatts also produced in Piantelli and Patterson Experiments
Between Chemical and strong force Nuc Energy Densities with minimal radiation safety/ protection requirements/ issues, probably “inexpensive”
Direct and potentially massively/ truly “game-changing”
The Rossi device, possibly producing useful energy but wholly “Edisonian”, not “scalable” and not “Optimized”
Huge number of “knobs”/ approaches appear to”work”, issue is how good can it be? Requires experiments guided by theory and major “creative” efforts/ inputs along with CAREFUL Experiments, YEARS of effort required. Rossi is just the merest beginnings of the research/ engineering optimization required.
Superb light weight power/ energy sources for space probes/ instruments and hoppers/ rovers, far less expensive than solar and better than radiologics for beyond Mars where solar does not “work”
Reduced LEO (Low Earth Orbit) and in space propulsion weights/ costs
Solves EDL (Entry, Descent, and Landing) for large payloads to Mars via ingestion, heating and retro injection of atmospheric CO2
Potentially obviates order of 80% of the 1000 metric ton LEO (Low Earth Orbit) up-mass for Humans Mars which is in-space fuel, Propulsive mass from far outer region atmosphere or regolith
Source for energy beaming, energy to terraform Mars, Enables Active Space Radiation Protection
Overall, enables what we have never had – “Energy Rich” design space[s]
Fuel fraction becomes negligible, huge impacts upon vehicle gross weights, especially for SST’s which are some 55% fuel fraction
For the military– EMP on steroids, VTOL obviates air bases/ runways/ carrier decks, enables loitering combined sensor/ weapon devices [ instead of getting there in time ARE THERE, always]
In Short, LENR , depending upon the TBD performance, appears to be capable of Revolutionizing Aerospace across the board. No other single technology even comes close to the potential impacts of LENR upon Agency Missions.
Test/ determine the performance of the Rossi and Piantelli devices
Experimentally validate the weak interaction theories
The 2 decades of experiments and the weak interaction theories have removed the existential risk, what is remaining is to ENGINEER for improved performance. Also obviously all the safety issues, labs have blown up studying this arena
SO – Invent/ create optimized/ improved LENR “Devices”, testing “Rossi” is merely a small first step, do the systems and propulsive/other application R&D
BTW LENR [ also] solves Global Climate and Energy
We went directly from Chemical to strong force Nuc and in the process bought huge energetics improvements and radiation protection/ safety issues that precluded fission nuc application[s], We leapt over the weak interaction energetics landscape except for radiologics. It is time to back-track.
From the NASA website
http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/sensors/PhySen/research.htm
Tests conducted at NASA Glenn Research Center in 1989 and elsewhere consistently showed evidence of anomalous heat during gaseous loading and unloading deuterium into bulk palladium. At one time called “cold fusion,” now called “low-energy nuclear reactions” (LENR), such effects are now published in peer-reviewed journals and are gaining attention and mainstream respectability. The instrumentation expertise of NASA GRC is applied to improve the diagnostics for investigating the anomalous heat in LENR.
Relevant Presentation: + Download presentation given at a LENR Workshop at NASA GRC in 2011 [available soon].
http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/sensors/PhySen/research.htm
The Cold Fusion Ping List
http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/coldfusion/index?tab=articles
-------------------------------------------------------------- http://ecatnews.com/?p=1144
Unfortunately, if Rossi did the following:
1) hired a bunch of actors to pretend to be the customer reps,
2) created an elaborate year-long special-effects-derived series of demos,
3) bribed, hypnotised or otherwise fooled Focardi, Levi, Kullander, Essen, Bianchini, Stremmenos
4) arranged for Piantelli, Miley and a host of others to try to fool the world into thinking that cold fusion was real,
5) got NASA, SPAWAR, The Defense Threat Reduction Agency and The Defense Intelligence Agency to say nice things about the field,
6) got Bushnell to make a fool of himself,
7) and convinced his former partners to set up another company called Ampenergo to pretend that they had a contract for The Americas for a substantial sum ----- or that they just did this with no proof because they have worked with Rossi and trust him because he’s such a fine fellow,
8) sold his profitable company to his ex-partners in order to spend that wealth on a multi-million dollar scam; ----- certain that once he got all the above ducks in a row he would pretend to sell the first device ----- and then reel in the true target of his dastardly plan
9) and convinced a bunch of Greek crooks to set up a dummy company called Defkalion ----- to pretend to fight with him over the non-existent eCat, ----- to perpetuate the illusion and spin it off into a competing mirror-scam
[the second (this time genuine) buyer of a 1MW plant that will net him $2 million dollars ----- until they want their money back or sucker a $100 million dollar deal under the table ----- because he has experience in pulling the wool over all these idiotic eyes ----- and knows that they will just take his word for it ----- and not want to test if his 1MW plant can heat a small village without truckloads of coal or oil or a big fat electric cable coming into the container from beneath the floor (no you can’t lift the carpet!) ]
10) and that, in order to pull this off, Rossi had to risk discovery by interviewing all the people he subsequently fooled so that he could only invite the gullible Professors and not the brilliant anonymous posters on the Internet who surely would have found him out
then, yes, all bets are off and I’m with the guys who think that Rossi is an idiot and they are all geniuses.
http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/sensors/PhySen/research.htm
The Cold Fusion Ping List
http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/coldfusion/index?tab=articles
interesting comments as well, such as this one:
Sojourner Soo
December 3, 2011 - 1:56 am | Permalink
This is the Bushnell lecture referred to by Krivit in this article, is it not? http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/09/28/nasa-advances-evaluation-of-piantelli%E2%80%99s-lenr-research/
Krivit reposted Rossi’s comments about him in the same piece. I had read on Albert Kong’s FB page some time ago that Piantelli and NASA are also working together. So, I guess overall it means that LENR is “real.” Personally, I find it strange that Piantelli dusted off his Ni-H research only after Rossi had success. As for DGT, I have difficulties with a company that screws their business partner. This could have been just the thing Greece needed, but DGT was too smart by half, I feel. All that said, all this nonsense is tedious and rather boring. Give Rossi his patents, please, and let’s get this thing rolled out to the masses ASAP. People are going to claim the invention is theirs and not Rossi’s, but most of us are aware of what “chronological order” means. So do most jurors I would imagine, if it ever came down to that.
Slide presentations from the LENR workshop at NASA Glenn Research Center reveal the growing interest at NASA on LENR technology. Dennis talks about the current state of LENR research, where NASA has a role, and how it can positively impact aeronautics across the board.
(This ecatplanet.net exclusive is part 1 of a series. The original ppt files can be downloaded here by registered users
Folks, sell your oil company stock, it's gonna drop like a rock!
Like Robinson Crusoe and Friday being rescued by the Titanic, Global Climate and Energy see the good ship LENR pulling up to their far away island. At least according to Bushnell?
Did I mention this is “NASA’s” Bushnell?
Nice try at hinting that Bushnell is incompetent because he is associated with (horror of horrors), the evil "NASA".
Unfortunately for your "meme", Bushnell worked there during its height of "competency", well before it disintegrated into a "make work" program due budget cuts and pressure from liberal politicians. His technical track record speaks for itself....no comments needed from you.
Here's my latest thought ~ for what it's worth ~ Ampenergo provides this crowd an outlet for LENR information glommed up by LTI from DOE contracts over the last 20 years. ~ there's your scam ~ it's on the taxpayers.
Still, otherwise none of that stuff would ever show up in the public domain because, alas, it really is being sat on by the Hot Nukes crowd at DOE.
It's possible the Obama Regime is the hero in this (oh, Lord, let us hope not) because of their advocacy of EVERYTHING BUT COAL, OIL and NUKES!
I'd be satisfied if I could make it into a "Caucus of Rational Discussion", instead of one laden with seagull ****.
The usual rumors and gibberish that Kevmo likes to copy and paste.
The long-awaited details from Dennis Bushnell’s Sep 22, 2011 presentation have surfaced. They are still not on the official site (bottom of page) and I can’t find the original through Google, so I put a slight cautionary note here that the contents have yet to be verified. Believe it or not, these are just some of the points he makes. None of them will surprise many of you reading this but even so and coming from someone famed for sticking his neck out like Dennis Bushnell, I still have to say, Wow!
Over 2 decades with over 100 experiments worldwide indicate LENR is real, much greater than Chemical, Transmutations, Minimal radiation
The many Rossi demonstrations in 2011 suggest LENR may produce”useful” quantities of heat [up to 15KWs ?]. Watts-to-Kilowatts also produced in Piantelli and Patterson Experiments
Between Chemical and strong force Nuc Energy Densities with minimal radiation safety/ protection requirements/ issues, probably “inexpensive”
Direct and potentially massively/ truly “game-changing”
The Rossi device, possibly producing useful energy but wholly “Edisonian”, not “scalable” and not “Optimized”
Huge number of “knobs”/ approaches appear to”work”, issue is how good can it be? Requires experiments guided by theory and major “creative” efforts/ inputs along with CAREFUL Experiments, YEARS of effort required. Rossi is just the merest beginnings of the research/ engineering optimization required.
Superb light weight power/ energy sources for space probes/ instruments and hoppers/ rovers, far less expensive than solar and better than radiologics for beyond Mars where solar does not “work”
Reduced LEO (Low Earth Orbit) and in space propulsion weights/ costs
Solves EDL (Entry, Descent, and Landing) for large payloads to Mars via ingestion, heating and retro injection of atmospheric CO2
Potentially obviates order of 80% of the 1000 metric ton LEO (Low Earth Orbit) up-mass for Humans Mars which is in-space fuel, Propulsive mass from far outer region atmosphere or regolith
Source for energy beaming, energy to terraform Mars, Enables Active Space Radiation Protection
Overall, enables what we have never had – “Energy Rich” design space[s]
Fuel fraction becomes negligible, huge impacts upon vehicle gross weights, especially for SST’s which are some 55% fuel fraction
For the military– EMP on steroids, VTOL obviates air bases/ runways/ carrier decks, enables loitering combined sensor/ weapon devices [ instead of getting there in time ARE THERE, always]
In Short, LENR , depending upon the TBD performance, appears to be capable of Revolutionizing Aerospace across the board. No other single technology even comes close to the potential impacts of LENR upon Agency Missions.
Test/ determine the performance of the Rossi and Piantelli devices
Experimentally validate the weak interaction theories
The 2 decades of experiments and the weak interaction theories have removed the existential risk, what is remaining is to ENGINEER for improved performance. Also obviously all the safety issues, labs have blown up studying this arena
SO – Invent/ create optimized/ improved LENR “Devices”, testing “Rossi” is merely a small first step, do the systems and propulsive/other application R&D
BTW LENR [ also] solves Global Climate and Energy
We went directly from Chemical to strong force Nuc and in the process bought huge energetics improvements and radiation protection/ safety issues that precluded fission nuc application[s], We leapt over the weak interaction energetics landscape except for radiologics. It is time to back-track.
See Kevmo, one of the five html commands you could learn in five minutes would have made your post readable.
This is the part from Nasa's website:
Link to Nasa for the text below:
Tests conducted at NASA Glenn Research Center in 1989 and elsewhere consistently showed evidence of anomalous heat during gaseous loading and unloading deuterium into bulk palladium. At one time called “cold fusion,” now called “low-energy nuclear reactions” (LENR), such effects are now published in peer-reviewed journals and are gaining attention and mainstream respectability. The instrumentation expertise of NASA GRC is applied to improve the diagnostics for investigating the anomalous heat in LENR.
Relevant Presentation: + Download presentation given at a LENR Workshop at NASA GRC in 2011 [available soon].
"May". Your title is a complete bullsh*t lie. He did not say "solves" as in present tense "does solve". Nice try at propaganda. You are obviously an idiot with reading comprehension problems.
So Kevmos a liberal liar and you support that. Got it.
See, everyone, kevmo is a major liberal in that he uses the liberal tactic of making these sly associations between what a NASA engineer said about LENR in general and Rossi’s scam. He’ll later claim he “previously posted about a NASA engineer supporting Rossi’s E-Cat as working.” He’ll make that statement and even include it in a list at some point, “NASAS Engineer confirms E-Cat.”, etc.
Kevmo does that a lot. We’ve had to back his liberal lying self down a number of times on such lies. Sorry for him but here on FR we know the tactics of the liberal so his weasel ways don’t work here.
And you, say what you want, but I won’t be agreeing with you, that would make two of us wrong, and, frankly, you’re just not my hero.
He has sold/delivered one. ONE,
His E-cat has heated water by means Rossi cannot or will not explain. Lots of theory, few facts.
Despite the hype, the climate has not been saved and all our energy problems solved by an E-cat. It's still a water heater.
Remove all the cheer leading, the noxious hype about changing paradigms, about rewriting physics, restructuring the energy market, blah and blah, what's left?
Rossi, damaged goods by any measure, has a big water heater that he will not allow to be independently tested.
All this may change in the future but at the moment....
Rossi still looks like a three card monte man.
I don’t mean to speak for count-your-change but I think he was saying that Kevmo is using Nasa to prop up Bushnell’s reputation.
I would like to see what he did at Nasa. Was he an engineer or a project manager? Even if he was a project manager, that is not automatically a negative. A lot of them come from engineering backgrounds because they speak the language and have probably had to deal with incompetent PMs. I know I have.
Most PMs only purpose seems to be to make a nice MS Project Gantt chart (that bears no resemblance to reality) and be a roadblock to milestones. I feel for engineers that have an E size plotter because all of the ink and paper will go to printing every revision of a PM’s Gantt chart. Not to mention the fact that they’re on every wall in the engineering department.
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