Posted on 11/24/2011 5:37:51 AM PST by NaturalBornConservative
During the CNN GOP National Security Debate on 11/22/2011, Newt Gingrich recommended a comprehensive approach to address illegal immigration. Just for the record, what Mr. Gingrich really said about Amnesty may be viewed here.
Gingrich said that such a plan must (A) start with securing the border, then (B) establishing a guest worker program, and finally (C) setting up a board to review the status of each person here illegally. Such a board would distinguish between those who recently came here, and those who are more established. He said that those who recently came here, who don't have family ties, or are otherwise not established, should be sent home. While those who are established, who have been here for 25 years or more, who have children and grandchildren in America, who belong to churches, who have obeyed the laws, and who have paid their taxes, should be allowed to stay legally, but not automatically granted citizenship. For the latter, he recommended using something similar to the Red Card Solution, which would be used as a form of identification, to grant legality, and place them on a path towards citizenship.
The Krieble Foundation's Red Card Solution is a proposal which would allow companies to recruit workers from Mexico. The Red Card would permit workers to enter America, and would allow employers and immigration authorities to track them. It would aid in enforcement of immigration laws, with less intrusion by the government. According to the Krieble Foundation:
"It’s a simple solution. Private employment agencies would be allowed to open offices in foreign countries, and authorized to issue temporary non-citizen worker permits. The permits would be “smart cards” with a microchip that includes a photograph, fingerprint or other biometric identification data, and information needed so that border agents, police, and employers could swipe the card and know who the holder is, where he works, where he lives, who issued the permit, when it expires, and any other required information. Employment agencies would be licensed by the government and would be required to run criminal background checks before issuing non-citizen worker permits, much like gun shops do today. Employers would simply post jobs with employment agencies like they do today. Best of all, the program would be funded by user fees, not taxpayers."
Gingrich also recommended that H1 Visas be granted with every graduate degree in math, science and engineering, to encourage foreign students to stay in America.
For the most part, I concur.
Actually, while I don't believe we will be able to actually deport them, I'm all for cutting out all bennies. If the Feds would do something like Alabama has, and actually enforce the current laws, it might mitigate a bunch of the problem. When the Feds fight it and only a few States stand up to them, it tends to move the problem rather than actually solve it.
I have feelings just as strong as most on FR, but I can't conceive a workable solution, so I accept we have the problem and understand that it won't change a whit until we find someone strong enough to actually seal the borders. I believe all the candidates understand this and all have esposed sealing the borders. Until that happens, the rest is moot unless we want to accept another "comprehensive" program. I think that whittling away at it one step at a time is the only workable solution. If we close the gates, instead of growing, the problem will start to mitigate itself even if we can't get rid of a bunch that are already here.
At any rate, I'm gonna call a self-imposed truce and let everyone else opine as they will and hope we can at least get rid of Obama - any of the Repub candidates wold be a big improvement and expand the chance that something might be done.
Patriot Lisa and All American Joe are “false flag” agents who feign loyalty to the cause they are attempting to harm:
Patriot Lisa will post a message on a conservative blog similar to this, “I want to get rid of Obama as much as the next person but all I see here is racism and hatred. We are never going to get rid of Obama with right wing rants and tin foil hat conspiracy theories. There is no use in even trying. We lost and the best thing to do is just adjust and wait for the next election.”
All American Joe will post, “We need to get torches and pitchforks and march on the White House. Obama is a Muslim Black Power Manchurian Candidate for everything that is evil in the world. If I had my way his own Secret Service detail would do America a favor and take Obama out.”
Then Patriot Lisa and All American Joe will get into an argument that detracts from all serious debate, ruining the experience for reasonable people, and giving the forum a bad reputation. Patriot Lisa and All American Joe will share private messages to compare tactics, chuckle, and congratulate each other at how good they are at their jobs.
Ask yourself if the message you are reading serves the goals of your cause. Not all misguided people are Obama’s PSYOPS agents. However their activity can damage your cause even if that is not their motive. Confront these attitudes and offer suggestions about what kind of thinking does make a contribution and is part of the solution. If they insist on posting damaging comments they probably are Obama’s PSYOPS agents rather than simply misguided.
“False flag” PSYOPS agents are just one type of Internet propaganda specialist. Let’s take a look at some of these specialists and their tactics....
Continued at: Exposing Obama’s PSYOPS Agents and Tactics
Obviously not on your blog. You have no comments on this article back at your blog. For the blog entry you posted to start this thread, you have one comment.
From you.
Correction: There is one "publicly published" comment on the original post. Only logical comments are published on my site, where I control the content, whether or not I agree. Here, any comment is published, no matter how rude, or irrelevant.
Exactly. If they have registered to vote illegally, and voted, used false ID's or SSN's, have DUI's, or have been convicted of any crime, they will be given a hearing with an opportunity to submit why they should be allowed to stay, and then if they don't meet the criteria, summarily deported.
How many of them have been assigned "valid" SSN's or Driver's Licenses, have been allowed to buy property and take out mortgages without proper identification, have been allowed to work without proper documentation, or have been convicted of crimes and allowed to stay illegally? What should happen to those who looked the other way? And how will we get the answers without some kind of review board?
In my humble opinion, not many would meet the criteria outlined by Gingrich, so a lot of people will ultimately be deported. The question is how to get 11-12 million people, to voluntarily submit to a fair and unbiased procedure?
Deportation does not work for me for voter fraud. They should do time in prison before deportation. Do you remember the case of the illegal that was acquitted of identity theft because he didn't know the fake SSN he was assigned belonged to an actual citizen? I do.
How many of them have been assigned "valid" SSN's or Driver's Licenses, have been allowed to buy property and take out mortgages without proper identification, have been allowed to work without proper documentation, or have been convicted of crimes and allowed to stay illegally? What should happen to those who looked the other way? And how will we get the answers without some kind of review board?
Too many. All of these docs have been used to vote illegally. In AZ, you didn't really have to prove you were legal to get these docs. If you had the alternative required docs (none of which proved you were a US citizen), you were allowed to vote. We need real reform/proof of citizenship in this area.
In my humble opinion, not many would meet the criteria outlined by Gingrich, so a lot of people will ultimately be deported. The question is how to get 11-12 million people, to voluntarily submit to a fair and unbiased procedure?
That is the rub. They will not do so. Why should they? If you don't go after those that have broken the law, why would anyone else?
"Newt Gingrich is under attack by some of his GOP rivals for opining that some illegal immigrants, those who have been here for decades and put down roots should be allowed to remain. This, they charge, is amnesty, a four letter word in their world. The establishment media have hypocritically piled on, even though they usually favor of amnesty for everyone."
"Unlike amnesty advocates Gingrich argues forcefully for border security as the first step. He would then develop a guest worker program to meet legitimate needs for cheap menial labor in some sectors of the economy. With the border sealed so they couldn’t come back, he would send most of those who have entered illegally home. The exceptions would be people who have been here for a long time and have put down roots...."
Continued at: Liberty Works
Notice that I didn't even say all that, I simply stated, "For the most part, I concur". And none of the rude comments, personal insults, or name calling (i.e. "troll") have changed my view. The tide is turning. If you have a better solution, put it out there, otherwise, "you might be a liberal".
That is the rub. And that’s why you need all states to be on the same page, through enforcement of a federal law that all will agree with. It won’t work with a few states enforcing one set of rules, while others enforce something totally opposite. Nor will it work without sealing the border first. You deport them today, they come back tomorrow. FNC did a documentary about this recently, riding on the bus with the deported, and filming them crossing right back over, to be with their wives and children.
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