Newt Gingrich on Amnesty

Natural Born Conservative ^ | November 23, 2011 | Larry Walker, Jr.

[dirtboy]

Gingrich said that such a plan must (A) start with securing the border,

Yeah, yeah, yeah. We hear that from all the amnesty shills. And they are as serious about that as Obama is about a balanced budget.

[steve8714]

What about visa overstays and the phony Somali or Bosnian “refugees”?
I don’t mind the Mexican folks, perhaps some special arrangement could be made, but let’s send these other bums home.
Half the Bosnian are really Albanians or Gypsies anyway.

[dirtboy]

The Krieble Foundation's Red Card Solution is a proposal which would allow companies to recruit workers from Mexico

We have anywhere from nine to sixteen percent unemployment. Why on earth do we need companies importing workers from Mexico? The Alabama unemployment rate has dropped a half-point since implementation of their illegal immigration law.

I and many other IT workers were unemployed during the IT slump of 2002 - when a half-million H1-B workers were brought in under a program meant to fill jobs only when an American worker could not be found. This asinine Red Card proposal is little different in this economy.

I am sick of these Beltway think tanks carrying the water of those who want to bring in the cheapest possible third-world labor into this country at the expense of Americans who are out of work.

[Sudetenland]

There's ignorant and there's just plain downright dishonest, which are you? I'll bet you haven't even bothered to read the Krieble Foundation's Red Card plan, but you're ready to attack Newt without informing yourself.

It's okay, I understand some people simply react out of emotionalism rather than reason.

What does your candidate suggest? For that matter, who is your candidate?

[dirtboy]

While those who are established, who have been here for 25 years or more, who have children and grandchildren in America, who belong to churches, who have obeyed the laws,

So in Newt's grand vision, the longer you have broken this country's immigration laws, the more law-abiding you are.

Only inside the Beltway can this possibly make sense.

[dirtboy]

There's ignorant and there's just plain downright dishonest, which are you?

Hey, maggot - try refuting what I have posted. You can't, jackass. You're just an apologist and a shill for the worst tendencies of the Beltway GOP.

[dirtboy]

What does your candidate suggest? For that matter, who is your candidate?

Ah, the typical ploy of a troll who can't defend his candidate's stance on its merits.

But I'll play - I am trying to decide between Cain and Perry.

Both have executive experience, both are from outside the Beltway swamps, and although I have issues with some of Perry's illegal immigration stances, he's still better than Newt, and at least Perry understands the 10th Amendment. Newt has no clue about the concept of limited federal government. He gives it lip service, but his history over the last 10 years indicates otherwise.

[Sudetenland]

When you actually post something of substance rather than you opinion, I'll respond to it.

Thank-you for confirming my assumptions about your means of arriving at a response. You really are so emotional.

[PapaNew]

Well the leftist MSM has certainly (temporarily) succeeded in steering the debate away form Obama and his threat to America.

Fortunately, I missed this latest installment of the the Left putting the Right in their MSM circus side show and calling it a "debate." Curious about where our candidates allowed the left to steer the focus of attention this time - looks like immigration issues - usually a subject as far away as possible from the failings of "The One We Have Been Waiting For."

Notice how if anyone starts to get close the real problem - Obama's economic, political, and anti-American train wreck, they're quickly cut off and the subject is changed?

Why are we letting the GOP and the Left hold us hostage like this?

[Sudetenland]

Okay, we know what Perry’s plan is, pretty much the same thing as Newt, so now what is Cain’s solution? Bet it’s the same. When it comes down to brass tacks, some form of the Krieble plan is the only rational and achievable solution.

[GrandJediMasterYoda]

People call me Rebecca but all my friends call me Newt.

Why don't you put HER in charge?

GAME OVER MAN! GAME OVER!

[dirtboy]

When you actually post something of substance rather than you opinion, I'll respond to it.

Yeah, sure, jackass. You're just another Newt zombie - the only part of your brain still working is the bite reflex. I have posted my reasons on this thread why this proposal is so wrong in this economy, as well as the intellectual bankruptcy behind the concept that the longer you have broken immigration laws, the more law-abiding you are. To be a zombie Newt supporter, you apparently have to not care about either.

Thank-you for confirming my assumptions about your means of arriving at a response. You really are so emotional.

Yeah, I get emotional about logic being abused beyond recognition. About how someone can consider a law-breaker law-abiding. How a think tank can call for more third-world labor to be brought in when we have massive unemployment in this country.

Guilty as charged. At least I haven't sold my soul and my conservative values the way you have. Assuming, of course, that you ever had either.

[oh8eleven]

Both have executive experience,
Interesting choice of words to obscure the fact that the pizza guy has never held public office.
I like Cain, but the WH is no place to start a new career.

[Happy Rain]

Don't need but two things:

First,secure the border.
Second, ENFORCE THE G*****N IMMIGRATION LAWS!!!

or change them...anything else is AMNESTY!!!

[dirtboy]

When it comes down to brass tacks, some form of the Krieble plan is the only rational and achievable solution.

Oh, horsecrap. Alabama has seen a drop in unemployment of a half-point since they implemented their law against illegal immigrants.

If you make it untenable for illegals to stay here, they will go elsewhere. It's called self-deportation.

And Cain is still better than Newt. Newt basically is advocating complete surrender on this subject while pretending otherwise. So do you.

[Sudetenland]

BTW, I have no problem with Newt's plan. It is rational, well thought out, achievable, solves most of the problems surrounding illegal immigration and holds true to the moral standards of conservatism that Newt mentioned during the debate.

It is also, ultimately, the position that all of the candidates will embrace whether they are willing to be honest about it or not. Congress will never pass an expulsion law and it will be nearly impossible to get some sort of strict enforcement of employment restrictions through any Congress. Too many businesses and political interests rely on the good will of the Latino community to allow that to happen.

[dirtboy]

Interesting choice of words to obscure the fact that the pizza guy has never held public office.

Cain has still run something other than his mouth. Or do you think some hack who has lived at the public teat his entire life as he moved up in office has a better sense of how the real world works than a guy who ran a private organization?

[ez]

Wow how refreshing. Actuals facts vs. knee-jerk gotcha-ism.

[bigdirty]

This whole “qualified to be president” nonsense needs to stop. What makes a politician “qualified”? They need to spend a certain numbers of years in Washingston betraying their constituents, spending billions of taxpayer dollars on nonsense, pushing their porkbarrel programs on the nation? What makes them qualified? Does being qualified mean they’re experienced at tramping all over the constitution and bill of rights?

People want an experienced RINO politician when these so-called qualified people are the same clowns who got us all in the position we’re in in the first place!