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Posted on 11/03/2011 11:19:48 PM PDT by Kevmo
Mr. Rossi Goes to Market, Dr. Miley and Others Hope to Follow
Posted on November 3, 2011 by ecatsite
Italian inventor Andrea Rossi continues with commercialization of his e-Cat (energy catalyzer). In addition to the 1MW plant he tested and reportedly sold to an unnamed customer, he also reports already having sold two or more additional units. He reports that these were to customers in the USA and Europe. While he states that the new customers are not requesting the same level of secrecy, a certain amount of discretion will still be exercised, adding that eventually the identity of his customers will inevitably become apparent. Mr. Rossi reports having production facilities in Bedford, NH and Miami, FL, and plans for the next year are to sell from 30 to 100 1MW cold fusion plants, at a cost of 2 million Euros or 2.8 million U.S. Dollars. This information can be found on Mr. Rossi’s blog, Journal of Nuclear Physics .
While the Associated Press was present at the October 28th test of Mr., Rossi’s 1 MW cold fusion plant, they have yet to run a story covering the event. Whether they are exercising prudence or something less noble remains to be seen. AP reporter Peter Svensson, who was present at the test, has tweeted several times on the subject in response to inquiries about the event. On Monday, October 31, Mr. Svensson tweeted “Sorry, I can’t tell you anything at this point.” Later that day he tweeted again, stating “Sorry, we don’t comment on coverage plans.” These rather cryptic tweets were followed yesterday by “All I can say is “stay tuned.” For whatever reason the AP continues to keep this story under wraps, in the end it may be inconsequential. Other news outlets have begun to report on the story, from Fox News, CNN, Forbes and Discovery News, to popular publications in such places as Sweden, Russia and Italy. Perhaps the most balanced story I have seen on the subject so far was posted on the site of a U.S. Daily newspaper Falls Church News Press of Falls Church, Virginia, which is about 10 miles outside of Washington, D.C. I would strongly urge all readers to take a look at this article .
Commercial customers interested in the e-Cat can contact Mr. Rossi and his associates at info@leonardocorp1996.com .
While Rossi’s cold fusion e-Cat is starting to gain some much deserved attention, it needs to be pointed out that there are others seeking to commercialize this technology. One of these entities is Dr. George Miley, whose work was discussed in a previous article. That article has created a lot of interest and this site continues to get hundreds of hits a day in regards to it. Much of that interest has been based on the fact that a mainstream and well-respected scientist was successfully replicating cold fusion experiments and had made mention of Andrea Rossi and his work. However, since the posting of that article video has become available from the World Green Symposium in Philadelphia, in which Dr. Miley indicates that his work is much farther along than previously reported. According to him, his cell is highly reliable and now produces a couple hundred watts of heat in excess of input power. He reports that he has been in talks with NASA to place his cell in space probes, as NASA’s current power supply for the probes, plutonium-239, is no longer being produced. The video is available for viewing here but below I have taken the liberty of transcribing some of the pertinent comments covering this in more detail. If you chose to watch the video, Dr. Miley’s presentation begins at the 5:15 mark .
“My talk is a little different because we have been doing research on this for a number of years but we feel that we have gotten to the point where now we can think about products. One that we will talk about here is what we think ready-made for this type of energy source, namely a radioisotope thermoelectric generator which is used by NASA on almost all their space probes. At the moment they are using plutonium-239 for that, which is no longer going to be produced…..they need future sources, so this would be a natural fit.”
“At the moment we can run continuously at levels of a few hundred watts. We would like to go to a level of about 300 watts.“
“So the plan now, having accomplished all that….we think that we have a road map to a prototype….I think before we commercialize this we will get a better name, we need a jazzy name….we are still working to maximize the nano-particle manufacture.”
As a prototype design for the cell, the Miley group has chosen the existing RTG unit as they feel this design will work well with what Dr. Miley calls their “generalized heat source.”
“We are talking to the NASA people about simply putting our own cell right here (pointing to red part of diagram) producing heat, the same way as plutonium-239, and so this lends itself to a fairly quick adaptation of the unit. You know each application would have to have a different structure to it to deliver the power. You know it can range from hot water heaters, where you don’t convert to electricity, to something that uses electricity where you have something like this.”
“How do we stack up against the plutonium-239? ….we are already competitive with the unit we have but as we improve the nano-particle manufacturing, we should meet or exceed what they have.” He goes on to state” they are many issues but no “show stoppers….all these issues are technical, engineering type issues.“
“Please contact me if you have any other questions.“
Dr. Miley and a number of other cold fusion researchers have formed a consortium called Cold Fusion Energy, Inc., which, per their web site “is a consortium of scientists and researchers dedicated to the ambitious mission of bringing the science of cold fusion into a working reality in the world.“
Other entities seeking to bring cold fusion to market include the Greek company Defkalion Green Technologies, Andrea Rossi’s former business associates, and Italian biophysicist Francesco Piantelli, a very important figure in the history of cold fusion research .
Francesco Piantelli began his work 6 months after the announcement of Dr. Stanley Pons and Dr. Martin Fleischmann in 1989 and is believed to be the first to use nickel-hydrogen (much of the early work was done with palladium and deuterium). I will provide more information about his work in the near future. For a primer, click here. Professor Piantelli is also a member of the Cold Fusion Energy, Inc. consortium and has also had contacts with NASA about using his cold fusion cell .
While NASA obviously is not looking to commercialize cold fusion technology, they have been very interested in it for some time. So far it is reported that have been in contact with Dr. Miley’s group, Andrea Rossi and Francesco Piantelli. While it is widely, and erroneously, believed that the cold fusion experiments of Pons and Fleischmen were never able to be replicated, NASA researchers conducted successful cold fusion experiments back in 1989. On a NASA web site they clearly state as much .
“Tests conducted at NASA Glenn Research Center in 1989 and elsewhere consistently showed evidence of anomalous heat during loading and unloading deuterium into bulk palladium. At one time called “cold fusion,” now called “low-energy nuclear reactions” (LENR), such effects are now published in peer-reviewed journals and are gaining attention and mainstream respectability.” link (bottom of page)
Why NASA did not widely publicize this discovery, and allowed cold fusion research to be ridiculed and be proverbially thrown in the “junk science,” bin is a question for another day. But their current interest in cold fusion (they prefer the term low-energy nuclear reactions now) is much less of a secret. The U.S. Navy is also very interested in this technology. They have done some very successful research in this field and a member of the U.S. Navy was present at the September 6 e-Cat demonstration in Italy. While a number of names have been rumored to be the first customer for Mr. Rossi’s 1MW plant, including Google Green (e-cat.com redirects to their site), recent talk has it being the U.S. Navy .
Whether the mainstream scientific community or members of the mainstream press want to acknowledge it or not, cold fusion/LENR is a very real phenomenon and the race to bring this technology to the world has begun .
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Unfortunately, if Rossi hired a bunch of actors to pretend to be the customer reps, created an elaborate year-long special-effects-derived series of demos, bribed, hypnotised or otherwise fooled Focardi, Levi, Kullander, Essen, Bianchini, Stremmenos and convinced a bunch of Greek crooks to set up a dummy company called Defkalion to pretend to fight with him over the non-existent eCat, to perpetuate the illusion and spin it off into a competing mirror-scam and convinced his former partners to set up another company called Ampenergo to pretend that they had a contract for The Americas for a substantial sum or that they just did this with no proof because they have worked with Rossi and trust him because he’s such a fine fellow, arranged for Piantelli, Miley and a host of others to try to fool the world into thinking that cold fusion was real, got NASA, SPAWAR, The Defense Threat Reduction Agency and The Defense Intelligence Agency to say nice things about the field, got Bushnell to make a fool of himself, sold his profitable company to his ex-partners in order to spend that wealth on a multi-million dollar scam; certain that once he got all the above ducks in a row he would pretend to sell the first device and then reel in the true target of his dastardly plan – the second (this time genuine) buyer of a 1MW plant that will net him $2 million dollars until they want their money back or sucker a $100 million dollar deal under the table because he has experience in pulling the wool over all these idiotic eyes and knows that they will just take his word for it and not want to test if his 1MW plant can heat a small village without truckloads of coal or oil or a big fat electric cable coming into the container from beneath the floor (no you can’t lift the carpet!) and that, in order to pull this off, Rossi had to risk discovery by interviewing all the people he subsequently fooled so that he could only invite the gullible Professors and not the brilliant anonymous posters on the Internet who surely would have found him out – then all bets are off and I’m with the guys who think that Rossi is an idiot and they are all geniuses .
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What a steaming pantload this is.
Kevmo, would you kindly post the street addresses of the two manufacturing facilities? I’m keen to see if the fake-degree wielding Italian scammer Rossi is doing his NH “operation” in a fifth-floor walkup...
I think maybe it’s time I gave up on you on this thread. You don’t really contribute much to the investigation of LENR.
Is that your way of saying you won’t post the addresses?
Their fraud of redirecting to Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers (KPCB) was uncovered. Now they are engaging in a new fraud.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/2800058/posts?page=55#55
To: Moonman62
It appears that a relatively innocuous post responding to you was pulled.
This means I have nothing more to say to you about LENR. Bye.
55 posted on Sunday, October 30, 2011 4:41:07 PM by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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Giving up on you, as I stated.
Isn’t his Miami operation in an apartment?
Didn’t they get the memo that NASA doesn’t need a replacement power supply since the administration is canning Planetary Exploration?
They must have been on the secondary memo list.
I’m beginning to think, after reading through these threads, that those who totally, completely, and uncritically believe every little thing that heralds something new and fantastic and those who try to pooh-pooh anything new and different and potentially great are both manifestations of the same personality type and as old as the human race.
Why can't you just post it yourself? You could have done so with as little trouble as it took you to post your message.
Even people like you have to admit the first 1 MW ECAT got assembled somewhere. So when are you going to adopt a little more balanced sense of how things stand with respect to the ECAT?
You use the word 'fraud' so casually and so ignorantly its gotten ridiculous. Please show your evidence that:
1. You know who owns ecat.com and that the owners are operationally linked to Rossi.
2. That you know this was a "fraud" in the meaningful sense of the word.
I personally took the trouble to contact KPCB (unlike most of the lazy closeminded folks around here) in an effort to confirm any link to the ECAT. Neither I nor other _real_ skeptics got a meaningful response, meaning that either they are linked but are keeping that quiet for now, or they could care less.
Yes, that’s my understanding. I saw the report of the NH address so I imagine it’s similar.
I don’t have the addresses, which is why I asked you for them. Would you please post them?
1. deliberate deception, trickery, or cheating intended to gain an advantageIf you don't like fraud being associated with Rossi then take it up with the author of the article, or with people like Kevmo who reposts all the hype without vetting it.
2. an act or instance of such deception
3. something false or spurious
4. Informal a person who acts in a false or deceitful way
I have a file of some details I’ve picked up the last nine months, but I don’t have those addresses.
Which of those definitions do you think applies here, and why?
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