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Was Hitler a Communist?
A Whig Manifesto ^ | October. 31, 2011 | Chuck Morse

Posted on 10/29/2011 7:53:58 PM PDT by Chuckmorse

Little is known about Hitler before 1920 as many who knew him in his early years were murdered in the 1934 Nazi purge known as the night of a thousand knives. Additionally, files about Hitler’s life in Vienna were likely expunged when the Nazis entered the city in 1938.

One persistent rumor about Hitler, not proven, was that he was a male prostitute in Vienna where he lived in the years leading up to his move to Munich and the outbreak of the world war in 1914. It is known that he lived in Vienna as a bohemian artist and that he associated with the artist community. Hitler had inherited money from his late father and as a result he never had to work.

This left him with enough time to study politics and, according to his own autobiography, Mein Kampf, he immersed himself in Marxist studies. In spite of his brave actions during the war, actions which earned him the Iron Cross, he was never promoted higher than the rank of corporal. There has been some speculation that this lack of promotion might have been due to his communist associations or politics. The truth will never be known as his war records disappeared.

After the armistice of November, 1918, Hitler returned to Munich around the same time that Kurt Eisner, a left-wing leader of the Independent Social Democratic Party of Germany (USPD) declared Bavaria to be a free state and a Socialist Republic on November 8, 1918. Eisner, who was subsequently assassinated on his way to submit his resignation to German authorities on February 21, 1919, had overthrown the seven centuries old Wittlesbach monarchy and had formed an alliance with the Soviet Union.

Eisner’s assassination was followed by an uprising that led to a brief and violent Bavarian Soviet Republic under Eugen Levine which lasted from April to May, 1919. A photograph has survived that seems to indicate that Hitler marched in Kurt Eisner’s funeral procession. The Freikorps, made up of German army personnel returning from the war, and under the command of German General Franz Ritter von Epp, responded to the attempted Soviet takeover in Bavaria by marching into Munich in May, 1919. The short lived Bavarian Soviet Republic was crushed, many of its leaders were executed, and thousands of its irregulars were imprisoned.

Along with thousands of other soldiers, Hitler was arrested and imprisoned assumedly for his support of the Soviet uprising although the exact reasons for his arrest have never been clear. Hitler, assumedly seeking to make a deal to win his freedom and to save his reputation, volunteered to serve the German government as a spy and to identify other soldiers who had supported the two Bavarian socialist regimes. Hitler thus began working for an official commission investigating the Bavarian uprisings. It can be assumed that Hitler knew the various subversives involved in the Soviet inspired attempted coup as why else would the German authorities entrust him to infiltrate these cadres? One question that will likely remain unanswered was how many of Hitler’s friends, who might have taken part in the Soviet conspiracy, joined him in the nascent German Workers Party, later to be known as the Nazi party.

Bavarian authorities asked Hitler infiltrate the small and recently formed German Workers Party in 1920. It is reasonable to assume that the German authorities were concerned that the new party might be a communist cell and their might have been reasons for this suspicion. Hitler was impressed by the party leader Anton Drexler who favored a strong central government, what he called a non-Jewish version of Socialism, and a strong spirit of fraternity amongst all Germans.

Thus was born the nationalist strain of socialism that would become the trademark of the German Nazi State. Drawing inspiration from the same European enlightenment font that gave birth to Communism, Nazism patented socialism in one state as opposed to the Communist model which was a one world socialist collective. The German language is structured in such a way that when an organization has two names the second name is the formal name and the first name is a descriptive qualifier. Thus the term National Socialist was understood to mean the socialist party that was a nationalist socialist party.


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To: Flag_This

You’re correct. “The Night of the Long Knives’’, June 30, 1934.


41 posted on 10/29/2011 9:54:16 PM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: omega4179
So he was sort of a misfit/nerd before becoming a community
organizer and graduating to politics? sounds familiar.

*snickering*....Yes, It does...
...paging South Chicagoan Larry Sinclair and pass the Cocaine.


42 posted on 10/29/2011 9:55:44 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (I can take tomorrow, spend it all today. Who can take your income, tax it all away. Obama Man can. :)
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43 posted on 10/29/2011 9:59:56 PM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: wastedyears

Fascism is the softer sell. It gives you the pretense of private ownership. Yes, you can own your own factory but we(the state) are going to control the production process and tell how much you must pay your ‘’workers’’ and how much you can pay yourself. Yes you can own your own home but we’re going to tell you how you can live in it. What setting to put your thermostat to.(sound familiar, like Mr. “Hope ‘n’ Change?) Communism makes no pretense of private ownership, the state owns everything and you do what we tell you. What the two system share primarily is there is no private ownership of one’s thoughts, writings or speech.


44 posted on 10/29/2011 10:03:20 PM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: PzLdr

What are you talking about? Karl Marx was a vicious anti-Semite who referred to Jews in his 1843 book “On the Jewish Question” as “self-interested hucksters who should be annihilated”. I have also read that Hitler praised Marx in his autobiography, ‘Mein Kampf’.


45 posted on 10/29/2011 10:14:15 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: cruise_missile

Alois Schicklgruber was the name of Hitler’s father before he changed it, before Adolph Hitler was born. Adolph Hitler’s name was never Schicklgruber, and it was never Alois. Hitler’s older brother, who lived until 1952, was Alois.


46 posted on 10/29/2011 10:18:12 PM PDT by Flash Bazbeaux
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To: central_va

I’ve always thought that “socialist” is a broad term describing various commonly related idealogies

International Socialists......Communists
National Socialists........... Nazi/fascists
Utopian Socialists........... Fabians
ect...........

Any way you slice it, they all come from the same ill-baked loafs of bread kneaded and baked in the bakery run by Karl Marx.......


47 posted on 10/29/2011 10:24:57 PM PDT by Forty-Niner (The barely bare, berry bear formerly known as..........Ursus Arctos Horribilis.)
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To: Chuckmorse

Not a whole lot of documentation there. Sources, please?

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions but not their own facts.
Hitler was left money by his father?
Male Prostitute?
Claims such as that should have cites, verifiable footnotes.


48 posted on 10/29/2011 10:33:05 PM PDT by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca, Deport all illegals, abolish the IRS, DEA and ATF.)
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To: Revolting cat!

Oh, for goodness sake - the fascists were nationalist and the communist internationalist. They hated each other’s guts

True, but they were both sosialists


49 posted on 10/29/2011 10:35:54 PM PDT by munin (s)
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To: RedStateRocker
Nazis and Marxists are natural allies. Just look at the OWS crowds around the country.

Biggest difference between Soviet style Marxism and Nazi-ism is that the commies wanted all nations to adopt Marxism. The Nazis wanted all nations to be ruled by Nazis, especially Germanic citizens in that country.

Bottom line: they advocated the state control (Nazis) or own (Marxists) the means of production.

50 posted on 10/29/2011 10:42:34 PM PDT by CT
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To: Chuckmorse

Pretty hard to discuss the evolution of Hitler without
mentioning the influence Benito Mussolini had on him.
Mussolini was a socialist who evolved into a national
socialist as opposed to a communist. The commies tended
to try to organize internationally while Mussolini
drifted toward nationalism. Hitler liked that idea
and developed his political self along those lines.

We’ve always been taught that National Socialism and
Communism are polar opposites. I have never believed
that is true because we have also been taught that
free market capitalism is also the opposite of com-
munism and I know that free market capitalism
and national socialism have almost nothing in
common.


51 posted on 10/29/2011 10:48:29 PM PDT by Sivad (NorCal Red Turf)
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To: Chode

From what I’ve seen Communists of any kind will accept inheritances in capitalist societies because that increases their potential influence in society.


52 posted on 10/29/2011 10:54:42 PM PDT by Post Toasties (Leftists give insanity a bad name.)
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To: omega4179
So he, (Hitler), was sort of a misfit/nerd before becoming a community organizer and graduating to politics? sounds familiar?

Bingo. I don't sleep at night when I think of Obama's 'potential' to really go to the dark side. Lots of paths open for him to do so - you name the scenario. Let's just hope there are enough checks and balances in Washington D.C. and enough people that are really keeping a close eye on him, e.g., the Pentagon, NSA, maybe the saner minds at the FBI. I see Obama as a national security risk that bears close watch. Let's hope it is happening.

I've often wondered if Ollie North or other beltway patriots who 'know the system in the District' have taken on this task.

I can't believe in my lifetime I would ever worry about a sitting president is this way, but I do. . . I might add I used to worry about the Clintons, but nothing like Obama.

53 posted on 10/29/2011 11:15:47 PM PDT by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: Chuckmorse
Hitler had inherited money from his late father and as a result he never had to work.

Trust fund baby - just like Bill Ayers. Al Gore? All the Kennedy's? I see a pattern...

54 posted on 10/29/2011 11:51:49 PM PDT by GOPJ ( Democrats are the only reason to vote for Republicans.... Will Rogers)
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To: Chuckmorse
Nazi Party

The National Socialist German Workers' Party (German: Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, abbreviated NSDAP), commonly known in English as the Nazi Party (from the German Nazi, abbreviated from the pronunciation of Nationalsozialist[5]), was a political party in Germany between 1919 and 1945. It was known as the German Workers' Party (DAP) prior to a change of name in 1920.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Party
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55 posted on 10/30/2011 12:32:46 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: central_va; Chuckmorse
Socialists are not communists.

Communist Party USA chairmen, Gus Hall (former) and Sam Webb (current) disagree with you...

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http://cpusa.org/socialism-usa

56 posted on 10/30/2011 12:50:37 AM PDT by ETL (ALL (most?) of the Obama-commie connections at my FR Home page: http://www.freerepublic.com/~etl/)
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To: TBP
>"Why do you think the Nazi flag was red?"

Because the second word in NAZI is SOCIALIST.

57 posted on 10/30/2011 3:36:13 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (It is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; ~Vattel's Law of Nations)
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To: Chuckmorse
Other writers have gone into this topic in more detail than this one. There is a good chance that Hitler was for a while a communist simply because he could find no better ideological home.

Basically, in the early 20th century, if you were a nationalist who believed in socialism, marxist-leninist style Communism would not have been a good fit. because it was a very internationalist ideology.

If you were a socialist, a nationalist and a virulent anti-semite, Marxist-Leninist style socialism became an even poorer fit. What you needed was national socialism.

58 posted on 10/30/2011 4:37:20 AM PDT by fso301
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To: Old Seadog
I never could understand why the Nazis were considered as an extreme right wing organization and the Communist Party is an extreme left wing group.

Because the left said that's the way it is and because the left controls the media and intelligencia, they can get away with it.

59 posted on 10/30/2011 4:39:14 AM PDT by fso301
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To: RedStateRocker
Not a whole lot of documentation there. Sources, please?

Agree. The author is either lazy or lacking depth but considerably more info about this topic supporting the authors claim is out there.

60 posted on 10/30/2011 4:46:52 AM PDT by fso301
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