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To: Seizethecarp

I think the birth certificate issue is a waste of time and energy. Whether or not there’s some hanky panky with Obama’s birth certificate (and I’ll admit, I haven’t paid close enough attention to the issue to know one way or the other) the fact is that he is the President, and that’s not going to change as a result of any legal action regarding his origins, regardless of how ambiguous they may be.

Do you really think the Judicial branch is going to create a Constitutional Crisis by attempting to remove the Executive through the action a court? The members of the Judicial branch are a bunch of government lawyers and their functionaries. It isn’t in their interest to precipitate a situation that could cause domestic chaos, and even possibly ignite a civil war. Right or wrong, they aren’t going to do it, and conservatives are wasting their time and chasing shadows here.

We’re a year away from the election. Obama is wrong on the issues and that’s where we can, and where I believe, we will beat him. He’s massively unpopular, and his supporters are increasingly disheartened, and I think, disappointed in him. Barring some sort of political miracle, I think he’s finished. We should look to the future, and concentrate on finding the best candidate to lead our country forward.

I don’t know if Barack Obama is from Kenya, or from Hawaii, or from Timbuktu. Frankly, I don’t care, it doesn’t really matter anymore. It doesn’t really matter anymore. It’s like the Democrats arguing about Bush v. Gore in 2003. It’s over, he’s the President. Move on.

Concentrate on the issues, because that’s where he’s vulnerable. Connect with the voters, who I think have had all the “hope and change” they can stomach. If we concentrate on the issues, we win. If we get distracted, well, he’s the sitting President, and its not easy to unseat an incumbent, who knows what happens then.

Newt Gingrich was right, when he said in that speech he gave in Iowa that this is the most important election since 1860. We can’t afford to lose it, the country can’t afford it. Four more years of Obama might end with the country literally in flames. We need to win, and we can, as long as we maintain our focus on the real issues facing America.

(I realize that my position might not be terribly popular on this, but I’m an opinionated sort of fellow, and the preceding comments are merely my opinion. Take it or leave it. :)


26 posted on 10/27/2011 12:01:12 AM PDT by NMCicero
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To: NMCicero

Yikes, my apologies for the poor editing in my previous post :)


27 posted on 10/27/2011 12:05:02 AM PDT by NMCicero
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To: NMCicero
>"I’ll admit, I haven’t paid close enough attention to the issue to know one way or the other)"

Take just a few seconds to look at the first big number on the forgery. Obvious cut copy paste functions have been performed.

Why forge a BC?

I don't think he's actually black!

32 posted on 10/27/2011 1:48:29 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (It is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; ~Vattel's Law of Nations)
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To: NMCicero
"I don’t know if Barack Obama is from Kenya, or from Hawaii, or from Timbuktu. Frankly, I don’t care, it doesn’t really matter anymore."

Consider this: if it turns out that Obama is indeed ineligible to be POTUS, then all the decisions he's made, all the laws he's signed, all the judges and people he's appointed are invalidated.

Or are they?

38 posted on 10/27/2011 3:46:18 AM PDT by FroggyTheGremlim (Democrats: the Party of NO!)
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To: NMCicero

Yes, of course there is a lack of political will to oust Obama over this, with attendant Constitutional crises and unknown consequences, especially when O appears headed for a one-and-out. Impeachment would fail in the current Congress and Senate, and massively “fire up” O’s dispirited supporters. However, efforts like Sheriff Arpaio’s, and transparency bloggers’, keep the administration wondering and on defense, slightly diminishing O’s capacity to do harm, and increasing the likelihood that he will do or say something stupid in response. Legitimate Presidential candidates can benefit, and stay on message about policy issues, without miring themselves with any blowback. O has staked his credibility on his posted documents — any new evidence that O’s bc, ss number, or life story are false will not lead to impeachment; but, an even weaker top-of-ticket could cost the left critical seats in the House and Senate.


44 posted on 10/27/2011 7:07:04 AM PDT by Chewbarkah
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To: NMCicero

This is an impeachable offense. It is a very big deal.


49 posted on 10/27/2011 7:29:57 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot ((Read "The Grey Book" for an alternative to corruption in DC))
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To: NMCicero
Trying to uphold Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of our Constitution should never be seen as a waste of time, IMO of course.

The alleged "abstract of TXE record" LFBC is clearly a fake. Why doesn't that matter?

 

AND....this of course doesn't touch on the issue of his born with British citizenship (assuming Sr. is his legal father at birth). Do we really want to say it's not a big deal that people born with allegience owed to another country can be president and Commander in Chief of our military? Then Arny is eligible, and the natural born Citizen requirement means nothing anymore...without so much as a Constitutional Amendment or SCOTUS decision that overrides the Minor case.

69 posted on 10/27/2011 9:59:29 AM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: NMCicero
I think the birth certificate issue is a waste of time and energy.

Yeah, probably. But then again we've heard your line a thousand times. You probably think the Constitution is a living breathing document too.

We're interested in new information, so unless you have any...ahem

the preceding comments are merely my opinion. Take it or leave it.

Thank you so much.

86 posted on 10/27/2011 3:24:46 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER ( Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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To: NMCicero
"Do you really think the Judicial branch is going to create a Constitutional Crisis by attempting to remove the Executive through the action a court?"

If in fact, the office has been usurped by an ineligible pretender, the Constitutional crisis is already at hand. That nobody is paying attention to it does not mean it does not exist.

95 posted on 10/27/2011 6:00:29 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: NMCicero
The Powers that Be are whistling past the graveyard on the eligibility issue. It is clear that Obama has deep CIA and KGB connections and that he was groomed during the height of the cold war as some sort of double, double, double agent kind of thing. He is a poor waif groomed for some very spooky international stuff by someone for some purpose. None of this would have mattered if he had stayed a cheap suit Chicago community organizer in the backwaters of Cold War Soviet agents. Unfortunately for America, someone decided to run this fool nationally and Americans, in their ignorance, elected his skin POTUS. Now, we are stuck with a leftover Soviet agent in the White House with predictable results. Everyone is just hoping the November 2012 election puts him out on the lecture circuit and someone... anyone... with a brain gets elected to clean up the mess. Obama is the result of a perfect storm that, if it were only a Mel Brooks movie,would be a rip roarin’ comedy flick. Unfortunately for the world... it's not.
116 posted on 11/02/2011 9:00:12 AM PDT by April Lexington (Study the Constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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