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To: Colofornian

Here’s what I don’t get about you guys. You often speak as if you have concrete PROOF of what you speak, when in reality, your assertions are really nothing more than you best GUESS. Unless you’ve spoken to the Lord face to face, your belief/guess is nothing but that, a belief/guess, not a knowledge, yet you portray it as irrefutable, treating those that disagree as rubes. That could be construed as sheer narcissism. Is that the problem here? I would hope not. Maybe just over zealous.

Case in point. You BELIEVE in the Trinity. There are those, myself included, that don’t. Some of those that don’t BELIEVE in the Trinity have made very compelling arguments against it here. Not necessarily irrefutable, but very compelling none the less. They have used facts to buttress their arguments rather than just stating as part of your argument that the majority of Christians have accepted the dogma, therefore it must be so.

In my opinion, the “majority” argument is maybe the weakest. The majority of people believed the world was flat, that the sun revolved around earth, that the flood would never come, that Moses couldn’t save his people, that Christ wasn’t the promised messiah, etc., etc., etc. For that matter, the majority of Christian leaders repudiated the idea of the Trinity at the councils of Rimini/Seleucia just 25 years after it’s adoption. So, what does the majority opinion really mean? Nothing when it come s to truth. Truth is truth regardless of what the majority thinks.

You think you have the truth. You might very well. My plea would be for you to act like you BELIEVE you have the truth rather than like you know you do. For unless you’ve had that face to face, your GUESS isn’t any better than anyone here, especially given the viable arguments from the bible against it.


236 posted on 10/29/2011 11:02:33 AM PDT by Confab
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To: Confab

I believe I have the Truth. I know I have the Truth. Christians call it Faith. (and there’s plenty of archeological and scientific proof for our faith.) If we didn’t believe or know, we couldn’t call ourselves Christians. We also could not go out into the world and fulfill our Great Commission as we are commanded. God speaks to Christians thru His Word, the Bible. We don’t have to “guess”. A true Christian cannot be wishy-washy as you seem to be requesting. We can be humble, yet sure, but not wishy-washy.


239 posted on 10/29/2011 11:29:53 AM PDT by My hearts in London - Everett (Still searching for the new tagline!)
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To: Confab
You often speak as if you have concrete PROOF of what you speak, when in reality, your assertions are really nothing more than you best GUESS.

Where's your example of your assertion; Accuser?

259 posted on 10/29/2011 7:05:17 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Confab
That could be construed as sheer narcissism.

Narcissistic personality disorder is characterized by dramatic, emotional behavior, in the same category as antisocial and borderline personality disorders.

Narcissistic personality disorder symptoms may include:

* Believing that you’re better than others
* Fantasizing about power, success and attractiveness
* Exaggerating your achievements or talents
* Expecting constant praise and admiration
* Believing that you’re special and acting accordingly
* Failing to recognize other people’s emotions and feelings
* Expecting others to go along with your ideas and plans
* Taking advantage of others
* Expressing disdain for those you feel are inferior
* Being jealous of others
* Believing that others are jealous of you
* Trouble keeping healthy relationships
* Setting unrealistic goals
* Being easily hurt and rejected
* Having a fragile self-esteem
* Appearing as tough-minded or unemotional

Although some features of narcissistic personality disorder may seem like having confidence or strong self-esteem, it’s not the same. Narcissistic personality disorder crosses the border of healthy confidence and self-esteem into thinking so highly of yourself that you put yourself on a pedestal. In contrast, people who have healthy confidence and self-esteem don’t value themselves more than they value others.

When you have narcissistic personality disorder, you may come across as conceited, boastful or pretentious. You often monopolize conversations. You may belittle or look down on people you perceive as inferior. You may have a sense of entitlement. And when you don’t receive the special treatment to which you feel entitled, you may become very impatient or angry. You may insist on having “the best” of everything — the best car, athletic club, medical care or social circles, for instance.


260 posted on 10/29/2011 7:06:13 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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