Posted on 10/18/2011 10:58:42 AM PDT by NationalSpotlight
Herman Cain, the former CEO of Godfather's Pizza, is on the rise in the 2012 Republican presidential field. We shouldn't pay attention to the polls just yet, but most of them show Cain ahead of or close to Mitt Romney. Is Herman Cain the anti-Romney candidate that we have been looking for? He might be. Herman Cain has been able to raise $2 million in 2 weeks! That is incredible! If he continues putting up these numbers, he is going to be tough to beat!
One of the reasons Herman Cain is on the rise is because of Texas Governor Rick Perry's blunders. Perry's terrible debate performances and recent attacks by the liberal media have damaged his candidacy. Perry's poll numbers have dropped to the low teens to under 10%! Herman Cain has taken advantage of Perry's downfall by articulating his 9-9-9 tax reform plan. The 9-9-9 plan takes away all of the federal taxes and replaces them with a 9% corporate tax, 9% income tax, and 9% sales tax. We will dissect his plan in the near future. Herman Cain also has never run for office. He has a strong record of business experience that our country desperately needs.
This past Sunday, Herman Cain was on Meet the Press with liberal David Gregory. It's nice to see that a liberal didn't try to paint Cain as someone who hated African Americans and skipped the draft for the Vietnam War. I still cannot get over how repulsive the interview socialist Lawrence O'Donnell gave to Herman Cain. Back on subject, Herman Cain is finally the one who has the guts to say that the liberals are destroying the country on purpose. Cain states, "The objective of the liberals is to destroy this country. It is their mission. Because they do not believe in a stronger America, in my opinion. Yes."
The Tea Party needs to make a decision soon about who is the anti-Romney candidate. Is it Herman Cain, Rick Perry, or someone else? Herman Cain seems to be the guy. If he remains one of the top tier candidates in the polls by late November, he has a great chance of winning the nomination. However, Herman Cain cannot win without full Tea Party support. When the Tea Party states that they cannot endorse, this is false. They were instrumental in the victories of Senators Rand Paul, Marco Rubio, Pat Toomey, Ron Johnson, and Mike Lee. Now, the Tea Party needs to step it up and endorse the right anti-Romney candidate to represent the Republican ticket in 2012. America cannot afford someone who represents Wall St. and big corporations. It is a long campaign and anything can happen, so who will be the anti-Romney candidate? Time is running out!
You say you don’t want illegals here, yet you make excuses, claim Americans won’t do the work they will...yada, yada. You would make a good politician, that is exactly what most of them do, claim they are strong on the border issues and then start making excuses for people hiring illegals and insulting citizens while praising the hard working ILLEGALS. Yes you do indeed support illegal immigration, supporting it with nearly every post you make.
If there really are NO cowboys that ever look for work in the Texas Hill Country then there is a reason, they work everywhere else all over this nation. From what you say possibly it is because many of the ranchers hire illegals so the cowboys know they cannot work for those people. Trust me there is a reason! Cowboys can be recruited to work anywhere there is a decent job- do the ranchers try to recruit cowboys from somewhere else? Have they asked the real cowboys in the area? If they are decent employers the cowboys that are working for the neighbors will help them find cowboys. The community of real cowboys really is a small community and most real cowboys come from families of real cowboys- and have friends that are real cowboys in other places. That is how it works. I am getting frustrated with you because you think you know and you absolutely don’t. If the real cowboys there won’t help a rancher find help then there is something wrong with that rancher as an employer.
Hubby just told me there are a couple of cowboys from that part of the country working on a ranch near here- next time I see one of them I will darn sure ask what is going on over there- your claims are just silly and you don’t know enough to know how silly they are.
Yes you are rude, you claimed cowboys will not work in that part of the country because it is so remote and they don’t want to work as hard as the illegals. You cannot imagine how remote some cowboys live in this country- there is nowhere in the Texas Hill Country that is as remote as where most real cowboys are living right now. Cowboys are also the hardest workers I know, and will certainly work as hard as any illegal I have ever known and I have known plenty. You put down and insulted citizens in order to make excuses for people you know that hire illegals. That is rude and not true.
I am being rude to you because you were rude and insulted my people.
Disagreeing with you does not constitute rudeness by anyone’s definition. You disagreed with me. I do not mind at all. You and I have different life experiences. I know Nothing about ranching along the border. I have no problem saying so. I do know about ranching and farming the the Hill Country and around San Antonio. I know it very well. I never insulted anyone. And everything I said was true. On the other hand, you were rude to me for no reason. We have different life experiences, as I said.
I never said there are NO cowboys from the area who are working the ranches. Of course there are. Not enough. You are angry with me over a condition over which I have no control.And again, I know nothing about the condition along the border when it comes to finding cowboys. I do know about it here.
I have made NO excuse for illegal immigration. And I would make a dreadful politician. You and I are both agains illegal immigration. We both know where are differences lie. I am ever so grateful mine lie with me. I hope you are as comfortable with yours. I know you know and you know I know. Let it be. Thank you for the discussion and be well.
Everywhere? Obviously not. I have no problem saying I do not know a thing about finding cowboys where you are. Nada. I do know the problems ranchers and farmers around here have. You asked me not one question. You were just rude and snarky to me about that which I Have no control over. I, in turn, was not rude to you.
I told you twice I could find cowboys for those poor ranchers over there that can’t find any citizens to work for them so have to break the law and hire illegals. You have not taken me up on my offer. You have also not said a word about insulting cowboys and their way of life- you know the ones that are living in remote areas working very hard right now. They are not loafing around town so the ranchers have to hire illegals to live out there and get the work done.
You are spouting the mantra of open borders- according to you we need those illegals to do the work our lazy people just won’t do. It is BS and if you really didn’t know it then now you do and have no excuse to keep doing it.
Your friends that hire illegals are lying to you- and maybe to themselves that they just can’t find cowboys and have to hire illegals. It is bunk...they may have started hiring illegals many years ago to save money and are kidding themselves and you as to why they are still doing it. I know in some areas it is a way of life to hire illegals, doesn’t mean the people have to- they CHOOSE to do so, just as some choose to sell drugs and rob banks to make a living.
I am rude and snarky to you because you are repeating lies about our people that won’t work...lies about great cowboys I know and comparing them to the trash that breaks our laws to come here and put their family on the dole so they can work for the cheap wages your friends and others are willing to pay.
Anyone that hires illegals is supporting ALL the problems on the border, they are helping to bring in the cartel war right along with the illegals they just simply must have. They are also depending on the taxpayers to pay the difference they won’t pay in wages. Think about this- your friends are hiring illegals for cheap wages and if you pay taxes you are helping your friends pay their help. Sorry you can’t seem to understand that. I wish you would just write your friends a check to help with their payroll so they could hire some citizens to work for them. That would be so much more honest than the way it is done now.
I did not and would never tell a lie. Nor would these ranchers. You honestly think you can tell them something they do not know? And I would never insult a cowboy. Never. Nor would I. This is pointless. As I said. I know where our differences lie. It is not the availability of cowboys. It is not immigration. You know it and I know it. There is no point, once one of us has resorted to rudeness, in continuing this conversation. You had no reason to be rude to me. And I was never rude to you nor did I insult anyone.
Also, this has absolutely Nothing...NOTHING...to do with money. Never did. Never will. That is insulting to good people you do not know.
You certainly did insult cowboys when you said they would not live in “remote” areas like illegals would or do the “hard” work illegals would do. Plain and simple you did insult cowboys, you compared them to illegals and not favorably.
I notice you have never responded to my offer to help those ranchers find legal help. That tells me you are either telling tales about knowing ranchers that can’t find legal help or those ranchers don’t want legal help for their own reasons.
This is all about illegal immigration, you condone and excuse it and I see it for what it is- lawless actions that are bringing down our country in so many ways. Sugar coat it all you want, you are supporting illegal immigration and all the other border issues.
It is also about money- even small ranches are worth a million or more most anywhere- I am talking real ranches here not small parcels people refer to as ranches. So it is ok with you that millionaires are hiring illegals and we have to subsidize their help with our taxes? So you think it is fair for me to pay my own legal help, and at the same time subsidize your millionaire friends’ illegal help too. And that is not supposed to tick me off? Not to even mention that when we sell cattle we are getting the same price your friends that are hiring illegals are getting. That sure sounds fair to me.
I never said cowboys would not live in remote areas for heavens sakes. And about the ones who do not want to work on the ranches when they get out of school...those are NOT cowboys. And they do not need your help. They have been ranching for decades, thank you. Also...again..this was NEVER about money. I certainly do not condone illegal immigration. I have said that repeatedly. You do not know these people ..please do not insult them. I have insulted no one. Nor would I. Esp a cowboy. I do love my cowboys.
Also, I have not said that all of the workers and cowboys are illegals. They certainly are not. Some of the cowboys are working ranches their fathers worked. They were born and raised in that area. You are looking for a fight where there is none.
A post got lost. In case it does not show up, I did misspeak..tho it was not a lie. When I said her foreman had worked for her for 20 years, I started thinking that could not possibly be right. I asked my husband. He said, and he is right, of course, we first met him the year my father died which was 1979. So he has been there over 30 years.
It has been this foreman inparticular whom I have asked her many times, if I might help her and him with immigration and help him be here legally. This is an ongoing conversation with us tho this past year, something changed, and I have not mentioned it in awhile for good reason. Had you not been so rude, I had already thought i could ask you something about the situation. Now I know not to.
Yes you said that and more... In the first place, where these ranchers live, you try to find gringos...Americans, to ride those fences, fix them, run cattle. They dont exist. They wont do it.
So...what are you talking about here? Ranchers hire cowboys to do all of the things you said gringos would not do.
O.K. so now you finally get to the truth, your friend does not want to hire a citizen for that job, she wants to keep the person she has had for 20-30 years even though he is illegal. That is a very different scenerio than what you began this conversation with.
I don’t know the ins and outs of citizenship in that case- but I do think he would have to go back to Mexico and stay there until the process was through- which is not what your friend or he would likely want. I know ranchers here in the same situation- sooner than 30 years though, believe me- they helped the illegal get a work permit so they could legally work here and then pursued citizenship at some point, or just kept up the permit. It can be done, and requires a good immigration attorney and some money. It may not seem fair, but the man and your friend have been breaking the laws for years so it shouldn’t be easy. It would have been cheaper, easier, and better all the way around if she had hired someone with a work permit all those years ago if she just had to have help from another country for whatever reason. Or at least helped this man get one back then. Yes it will take time, money, and effort on her part and his. If she isn’t willing to do it she needs to do the right thing and send the man down the road back to Mexico.
There was just no need for you to spout the open borders talking point of how your friend and others could not find “gringos” to do that work or live there or what have you. That is just nonsense and puts down our citizens that are very willing to do those things and in fact do them every day- like my family and friends- and me too in my younger days. Now I babysit the children and cook for everyone doing the cowboy stuff.
Before I end this conversation, I do want to say something I thought I knew but had to verify with my Mother’s friend. And I was right. She has the same pay scale for everyone. As I said, this was never about money. She does not pay some lesser amts. They are paid according to their duties, their experience and how long they have been with her. She would not ever take advantage of them.
Thank you again for the discussion though you obviously misunderstood most everything I said. Be well.
Explain this to me...how does she pay workers comp., and payroll taxes on the illegals that work for her? Does she provide them health insurance? Even if she is paying the illegal the same as a citizen she is saving money if she is not somehow paying all the expenses she does on other employees.
How is she paying the employees the same- if the amount starts off the same and legal employees have deductions from their pay- they are not being paid the same in the end. The only way she could really be paying the same is if she is not doing payroll taxes, workers comp, on any of her employees- that is really crooked, and foolish if an employee is badly hurt or she is caught she will lose everything she has. You really don’t see the whole picture.
If not about money- then what? Did she feel sorry for this man and just want to help him out? If that was the case why didn’t she help him get a work permit so he could legally work here? How much help is it to enable a person to live a life of crime- would she harbor a bank robber if she felt sorry for him, even if he continued to rob banks? Helping someone that is doing something illegal is a show of character, good or bad. If you urge them to go straight- get their stuff together and become legal that is one thing. She didn’t do that for whatever reason...
The day this man was hired she had no idea what kind of worker he would be- so there had to be a reason why she CHOSE to hire an illegal. Most hire illegals to save money or because the living/working conditions they provide are so bad they know citizens won’t put up with it. Some do hire illegals out of sympathy and don’t look at the big picture of people hiring illegals.
Illegals are a drain on our social services, health care, education, courts, prisons, jails- you name it. Illegals are a huge reason health care is so high and insurance both health and vehicle is so high. We are all paying for illegals- every single taxpayer or anyone that pays for medical bills, insurance or even buys things and pays sales tax. How is it fair for the rest of us to subsidize someone else’s employees?
Illegal workers crossing make it so much easier for all the crime at the border to happen- criminals and terrorists mingle with those coming to work, so illegal immigration even for work is directly contributing to the border crime, helping terrorists, helping to bring the cartel war here in full force. There would be zero support from voters and taxpayers for illegal immigration if not for the workers. I cannot see “we the people” not clamping down hard on the border if only criminals were crossing. Where would the justification come from for those that want to ignore it or support it?
For every business that chooses to hire illegals there are businesses doing the same thing that don’t hire illegals and yet those that follow the law have to compete with those that don’t follow the law. From landscaping, to ranches and farms and construction- you name it, those that break the law have a monetary advantage over those that don’t. In business having an employee costs far more than what you actually pay that employee- unless the employee is illegal and working under the table.
If your friend pays all of her employees the same that is fair to the employees, if she is not paying all the employee costs on her illegal workers or even legal workers then she is not being fair to taxpayers that subsidize illegal workers, and sure not being fair to others that raise cattle and get the same price for their calves she does, but have higher expenses simply because they followed the law.
Some think ranchers and others that hire illegals are just good businessmen- think about this, are they entitled to a larger profit because they are breaking the law? If so why don’t we all just cut out the middlemen and just rob banks for a living? Would that be ok with you? Would you defend your friend so much if she was robbing banks instead of hiring illegals?
There is a little picture of hiring illegals that is right in front of you- you see the nice friend of yours helping out someone that was in unfortunate circumstances, the person she hired is a good hard working man so you think she is a good person and no harm is done. When you look at the big picture it is not so harmless and she is not doing a good thing. Since she didn’t see fit to help this man that has worked for her for so long to become legal- she didn’t even help him so much. Imagine how life has been for him- really and truly, everytime he hears about tightening up on illegals, or raids on work places- he had to be concerned. Had to be careful at all times, especially if he left the ranch- not to bring any attention to himself. He has truly been living as a wanted man all these years and that has to be a terrible way to live. Would you want to live like that?
I have already said enough to you in my posts to make you see the big picture if you choose to. Re-read all my posts to you and try to see things from my point of view. In trying to justify your friend hiring illegals you insulted citizen workers, which did and does anger me. You tried every way to explain why your friend breaks the laws that I follow and it is ok. Turn it around and see the other side of the issue. Try to see why I am so angry about people hiring illegals. You cannot even begin to understand the issue without paying attention to the whole big picture.
I said early on, on Sundays, the town doctor and the priest come to the ranches. The doctors offer health care, she pays for it, and the priests offer them communion. This is not difficult. Decency goes a long way. Just common decency. I will come back soon and read the rest of your post. Preparing dinner for husband and grandson. Not being rude. And again, maybe in your world it is acceptable to call someone a liar. It is not acceptable in mine.
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