Posted on 10/17/2011 10:11:59 AM PDT by 92nina
Herman Cain's "9-9-9" plan is coming under increased scrutiny. At issue is the fact that two of the "nines" are sales taxes. One is a national retail sales tax. The other is a value-added tax (VAT.)
ATR has long been opposed to a VAT, since the European experience with them has been so negative. VATs started out in Western Europe at about a 5 percent rate, but now average about 20 percent. There is a 15 percent minimum VAT requirement just to join the European Union. The growth of government spending in Europe since 1970 is directly-correlated to the growth in the VAT.
Herman Cain would seem to agree--that is, the Herman Cain of less than one year ago. Here's what he had to say less than a year ago on November 21, 2010:
The worst idea is a proposed national sales tax, which is a disguised VAT (value added tax) on top of everything we already pay in federal taxes...In every country that has established a VAT with the promise of reducing their national debt, the VAT has eventually gone up or expanded on top of the existing tax structure. After discovering many of the tax grenades in the recently passed health care deform bill, which is already driving costs up and access down, it would be real easy for an overzealous bureaucrat to insert the language in the legislation “national retail and wholesale” tax.
Herman Cain (last year's version) is correct. A VAT would be a horrible idea for America. So why is it one-third of 9-9-9?
Read more: http://www.atr.org/herman-cain-against-vat-a6530#ixzz1b3kZsfgs
Take this article and others I found to the fight to the Libs on their own turf; put the Left on the defensive at Digg and at Reddit and in Stumbleupon and Delicious
Wrong.
A VAT and a national sales tax are two different things.
Here it all spelled out for you:
Read more: 9 responses to 9 false attacks on 9-9-9 http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=356825#ixzz1b1UDSiTl
The 9% tax IS NOT A VAT and saying it is 10,000 times over and over won’t make it into one.
Thank you for the link. Good to see Mr. Cain addressing his critics.
“Just starting on Free Republic, but eager to take the
fight to the Progressives and Dems.”
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you are SOOOO eager to fight the libs.
and you can’t find anything better to do than attack the VERY conservative Cain, over something that has been rebutted many times in many postings here over the past few days?
and even if Cain had changed his mind, after more research and experience, isn’t this a good thing? true, we don’t want a flip flopper like Mitt. but, we don’t want a stuck in the mud dinosaur. that, Cain certainly is not !
and yes, a VAT tax is a type of a sales tax. but, Cain has never been for a VAT tax, and is still not.
if you can’t understand the distinction, you should learn.
and if you can, and you simply are viciously attacking Cain, using a lie, then you are no better than the libs you say you want to fight...
Unfortunately, this is what numb-skulled robots will believe.
How many truly understand the difference between FLAT & VAT?
How many know the difference between; FAIR, FARE AND FEAR (or how to use/spell them correctly)?????
NST=VAT=embarrassing “misunderstanding (lie)” squared.
not only is 999 not a vat but the estimate of federal tax included in every thing you already buy runs about 22%, so a 9% transparent tax would see a 13% cost to consumer drop.
You can go back to your march on Wall Street before someone craps in your spot. You’re too ignorant to be posting on FR. Either that or you don’t think we know the difference between a VAT and a sales tax. Either way,......ZOT!!!
Honey, if you have been using THIS article to “fight the libs” on their OWN turf, you are using THEIR mendacious argument and they love you. Are you kidding me?
Cain has never been elected to anything and has zero governing or legislative experience. He also has little political experience. So conservatives must vet Cain's rhetoric. Its all we have to judge him on.
Thanks to ATR for posting Cain's own words from less then a year ago, Nov 21, 2010.
"The worst idea is a proposed national sales tax, which is a disguised VAT (value added tax) on top of everything we already pay in federal taxes...In every country that has established a VAT with the promise of reducing their national debt, the VAT has eventually gone up or expanded on top of the existing tax structure. After discovering many of the tax grenades in the recently passed health care deform bill, which is already driving costs up and access down, it would be real easy for an overzealous bureaucrat to insert the language in the legislation “national retail and wholesale” tax."
BTW I’m probably not alone..I think a lot of conservative/independents thought a flat tax would solve many of our problems. So, good that it probably would never happen because it takes power away from the power abusers.
However, like someone once said, “never let a crisis go to waste”
You must be an uneducated democrat if you can’t tell the difference between a VAT and a retail sales tax!
9-9-9 is not VAT
9-9-9 was not stolen from SimCity4
9-9-9 when turned upside down is just 9-9-9- upside down.
Next?
Hermain Cain is NOT proposing a VAT. You should not fall into this author’s false perceptions. The best way to prevent that is to read Mr Cain’s book so you can understand why this is not a VAT.
It is a shame you don’t actually read what you are posting.
A National Sales Tax can be a VAT if it is an ADD ON tax
Cain’s is NOT an ADD ON tax it is a REPLACEMENT tax.
Cain’s sales tax is POINT OF SALE only. There is no taxation in the equipment and services used to make a good. In fact, Cain’s tax replaces the 22% embedded taxes you pay on everything you buy.
Cain was and has always been against VAT as we should ALL be.
Hermain Cain is NOT proposing a VAT. You should not fall into this author’s false perceptions. The best way to prevent that is to read Mr Cain’s book so you can understand why this is not a VAT.
The worst idea is a proposed national sales tax
Unless... The income tax is completely done away with at precisely the same time, not some date uncertain, or even certain, but simultaneously.
Keeping both going at the same time? No, no, no.
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