Posted on 10/07/2011 3:33:58 PM PDT by JOHN W K
"Don't blame Wall Street, don't blame the big banks, if you don't have a job and you're not rich, blame yourself. It is not someone's fault if they succeeded, it is someone's fault if they failed,"___ Herman Cain
Of course Herman Cain, former ringleader of the Federal Reserve would say something like that, especially when the Federal Reserve and its un-constitutional money monopoly is in defiance of our founding fathers expressed intentions, and is used to plunder what America‘s Businesses and labor have produced.
And what did Daniel Webster have to say regarding working people: "Of all the contrivances for cheating the laboring class of mankind, none have been more effectual than that which deludes them with paper money. This is the most effectual of inventions to fertilize the rich man's field by the sweat of the poor man's brow."
Was Mr. Webster making something up? I think not as our founders were pretty much in agreement!
During the federal convention which framed our Constitution our founding fathers specifically voted to forbid a power to Congress to “emit bills on the credit of the united States” , and intentionally forbid any notes being made a legal tender! See: The Debates in the Federal Convention of 1787, reported by James Madison : August 16
Mr. Govr. MORRIS moved to strike out "and emit bills on the credit of the U. States"-If the United States had credit such bills would be unnecessary: if they had not, unjust & useless.
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Mr. READ, thought the words, if not struck out, would be as alarming as the mark of the Beast in Revelations.
Mr. LANGDON had rather reject the whole plan than retain the three words "(and emit bills")
On the motion for striking out N. H. ay. Mas. ay. Ct ay. N. J. no. Pa. ay. Del. ay. Md. no. Va. ay. [FN23] N. C. ay. S. C. ay. Geo. ay.
[FN23] This vote in the affirmative by Virga. was occasioned by the acquiescence of Mr. Madison who became satisfied that striking out the words would not disable the Govt. from the use of public notes as far as they could be safe & proper; & would only cut off the pretext for a paper currency, and particularly for making the bills a tender either for public or private debts.
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Our founding fathers were well aware of the historical thievery which takes place when notes of any kind are made a LEGAL TENDER FOR ALL DEBTS PUBLIC AND PRIVATE. And that is why they intentionally voted to forbid any notes being made a legal tender which, if allowed, would create an evil money monopoly and force businesses and individuals to accept worthless script in payment of debt, even if they were not “safe and proper”.
To bad our “conservative’ talk show hosts avoid talking about two specific key issues which our founding fathers addressed in great detail and provided specific rules in our Constitution to encourage and protect a free market system and prevent Congress‘s power of taxation being abused. The two key issues which our “conservative” talk show hosts fail to address are:
Federal Reserve Notes having been made a LEGAL TENDER FOR ALL DEBTS PUBLIC AND PRIVATE in defiance of our Constitution’s legislative intent, and our Constitution’s “fair share formulas” for both taxation and representation:
FAIR SHARE OF EACH STATE’S REPRESENTATIVES
State`s Pop.
___________ X House size (435) = State`s No.of Reps.
U.S. pop.
FAIR SHARE OF ANY GENERAL TAX LAID AMONG THE STATES
State`s Pop.
_________ X SUM NEEDED = STATE`S SHARE OF DIRECT TAX
U.S. pop.
A few days ago Glenn Beck had Herman Cain on his radio show promoting his 9-9-9 plan, which includes a “national sales tax’, in addition to a 9 percent tax on corporate profits, and a 9 percent tax upon working people’s earned wages.
Glenn Beck was all in favor of the addition of Cain’s new 9 percent national sales tax to feed the beast in Washington, and didn’t even bother to play devil’s advocate and question its constitutionality, or the rational behind adding a new tax to Congress‘ menu while keeping existing taxes on incomes alive.
This is a typical example of our so called “conservative” talk show hosts avoiding two of the most important issues addressed by our Founding Fathers.
Why is it that our “conservative” talk show hosts will not talk about the unconstitutionality of federal reserve notes being made a legal tender for all debts public and private, nor talk about the rule of apportionment and how our founder’s agreed it would apply to any general tax laid among the States? Has Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity, Laura Ingraham, Schnitt, Mark Levin, Dennis Prager, Bill O'rielly, Mike Gallagher, Lee Rodgers, Neal Boortz. Tammy Bruce, Monica Crowley, etc., ever mentioned our Constitution‘s fair share formula for any general tax laid among the States or federal reserve notes having been made a legal tender in defiance of our founders expressed intentions?
JWK
History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling money and its issuance.___ James Madison
JWK
America we have a problem! We have a group of DOMESTIC ENEMIES who have managed to seize political power and whose mission is in fact to bring “change” to America ___ the dismantling of our military defensive power; the allowance of our borders to be overrun by foreign invaders, the diluting of our election process by allowing ineligible persons to vote; the circumvention of our Republican Form of Government which is now replace with a 12 member committee vested with power to make law; the destruction of our manufacturing capabilities; the transferring of America’s technology to hostile foreign nations; the strangulation of our agricultural industry and ability to produce food under the guise of environmental necessity; the destruction of our nation’s health care delivery system, the interference with our ability to develop our natural resources, namely oil, to fuel our economy; the looting of both our federal treasury and a mandatory retirement pension fund; the brainwashing of our nation’s children in government operated schools; the trashing of our nation’s traditions and moral values; the creation of an iron fisted control unauthorized by our written Constitution over America’s businesses and industries; the devaluation of our nation’s currency, and, the future enslavement of our children and grand children via unbridled debt and inflation, not to mention an iron fisted government which intends to rule their very lives!
There is a distinction between mocking a proposed plan and mocking the person.
Why do you confuse the two?
Herman Cain’s plan proposes to place a new tax on the menu to feed the beast in Washington while keeping alive two forms of the socialist income tax alive. Why do you support such crap?
Surely you must know Herman’s tax would tax the food a mother buys to feed her child, taxes the clothing she purchases to cloth that child, taxes the fuel used to heat that child’s room during winter months, taxes the medicine a mother needs to care for a sickly child, and then our beloved Herman Cain would tax the coffin used to bury her child because she simply could not afford his national sales tax on every imaginable necessity of life in addition to Mr. Cain taxing the bread she earns when selling the property she has in her labor!
Is Herman Cain’s tax reform consistent with the thinking of one of our most prominent founding fathers who said:
“…..with all these blessings, what more is necessary to make us a happy and a prosperous people? Still one thing more, fellow-citizens—a wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government, and this is necessary to close the circle of our felicities“. Thomas Jefferson, First Inaugural Address
JWK
Read my lips Herman Cain: no new tax
I wouldn't vote for the current occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave even with a gun pointed at my head. Its just starting to bother me that who ever seems to rise to the top gets beat up on by other conservatives - and in some cases worse that the dems
All the conservative candidates have flaws(even Palin who is not running, but was my choice). But seeing the damage the current idiot is doing (I'm in NYC - and you should see the mess and chaos his thugs are doing here), I'd vote for a pet rock first.
How many times does Herman Cain says he wants to "scrap the current tax system before the implantation of his plan" before anyone believes him?
Frankly, ANY GOP candidate who wants to scrap the current IRS system is worth paying attention to as I believe its the one issue that will pull even liberal dems over to our side.
Other western countries and even so-called "emerging markets" are realizing that a progressive tax system cripples an economy and ... oh heck, I feel another rant coming on. Not for this thread.
As to Obama, we are pretty much in agreement. But scrapping the IRS Code is not the same thing as removing the power from Congress’ hands to lay and collect any tax calculated from profits, gains, interest, salaries, wages, tips, inheritances or any other lawfully realized money!
Indeed, Herman Cain not only proposes to keep two forms of this thieving tax alive, but offers to impose another tax, a national sales tax, on top of two forms of the Marxist income tax which would even go so far as to tax the necessities of life! And this is exactly what the Washington Establishment has been trying to accomplish since the 1980’s! Their desire has been to have a consumption tax [national sales tax, valued added tax, fairtax, etc.] while keeping alive the Marxist income tax.
It should also be noted that Herman Cain was an unknown, politically speaking, until he started carrying the “fairtax” banner, just as Mike Huckabee was a nobody nationally until he started promoting the ‘fairtax“. Supporters of the “fairtax” are a hardcore group, and are almost willing to die to see it adopted, even though it is probably true that not one in 2000 supporters have ever read the actual text of H.R.25, and, are unaware that if adopted along with H.J.RES. 16, Congress would still maintain the power to lay and collect taxes calculated from profits, gains, salaries and other incomes!
However, when enough people began to realize the fairtax would create another entitlement, its “family consumption” entitlement, which would send a monthly government check to every eligible household in America, and especially to those who are not gainfully employed and already on the public dole, and support began to drop because of this and also because the “fairtax” would be put into operation before the 16th Amendment’s repeal, Herman Cain jumped ship, abandoned his loyal fairtax supporters and came up with his 9-9-9 plan to advance his own political future.
But curious as it is, Herman Cain’s 9-9-9 plan also keeps alive the Marxist income tax, and proposes to add an entirely new tax on top of two forms of taxing incomes, which is exactly what the fairtax is designed to do and the Washington Establishment has wanted since the 1980s.!
JWK
If we can make the majority of America’s families dependent upon a federal government check, [the alleged fair tax’s family consumption entitlement] we can then bribe them for their vote, keep ourselves in power and keep the remaining portion of America’s productive population enslaved to pay the bills ___Our Washington Establishment’s Marxist game plan, a plan to establish a federal plantation and redistribute the bread which America’s labor and businesses have produced.
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