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Posted on 10/05/2011 8:33:54 AM PDT by dragonblustar
As many of you probably know, our friend Father Pavone has been literally exiled by his bishop and barred from doing the pro-life work God clearly put him here to do.
(Excerpt) Read more at youtube.com ...
Here is an authentic Catholic reaction to this situation:
“I think we need to avoid the tendency to hard-boil two good (but typically flawed) men into opposite positions (”He’s the Good Guy!” and “He’s the Bad Guy!”). Let’s pray for Fr.Pavone and Bishop Zurek. I don’t have any reason to doubt that they’re both pro-life, they both take their responsibilities seriously, and they both want to fully carry out the duties towhich God has called them.
There are certainly a lot of pastors who would be grateful to have Fr.Pavone step in and say Masses and hear Confessions in many an Amarillo parish. His obedience is pleasing to God, just as Bishop Zurek’s oversight is pleasing to God. Given time, patience and charity, I think all missteps and difficulties can be corrected.”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2787836/posts
See post #10
Literally?
OMG, I had no idea! To where has he been exiled? Siberia? Devil's Island? I'm speechless -- literally!
Dear dragonblustar: Please get a grip. "They" are not silencing anything. What Fr. Pavone "clearly" is, is a priest incardinated by his own free will into the diocese of Amarillo, who's now been reminded of the promises he freely undertook.
Frank Pavone needs to get over himself before he loses his soul and takes others with him.
God’s not a panty-waist! He doesn’t need Father Pavone to succeed. Have some faith!
Father Pavone will pull through if God wills it. Father Pavone will experience suffering as God allows it and if Pavone offers it up for our sins, it will be blessed by God and used for only good in the end!
Father needs to shrink to nothing to show God he is nothing and God is everything. God has lots of time - only WE feel our life passing by and the issue passing over us like a wave. God is in control. Father Pavone needn’t worry about who’s in control, his life’s work, or who’s going to win in thie pro-life effort!!!
Obedience is what God wants. Obey His (God’s) bishop be he wrong or right - and God will pull the good out of the affair!!!
Keep Fighting!
Who made you God?
Yep. No pro-life movement anywhere, not a single person standing up for life except Father Pavone, who has terrifyingly been exiled to his home diocese. Now admittedly, people not familiar with Amarillo might consider that a fate worse than death ... but really, it’s a rather pleasant place - notable for excellent beef meals - especially with summer pretty much behind them.
Let’s all avoid going totally stark raving bibbling bonkers, can’t we?
So, he's to suspend his God given ability to discern and just let someone above him lead him into the wrong path?
Father Frank has helped many people, like the family of Baby Joseph, who would have died in a Canadian hospital instead of their family's home. How many children are alive today because of Father Frank's efforts?
Father Frank has been a strong advocate to the pro life movement and has helped many, unlike so many Pelosi like Catholics. What has happen to him is not right.
You seem to understand this in a way that is completely incorrect.
On the day that he was ordained, Fr. Pavone made a vow of obedience to his bishop and to his bishop's successors. Therefore, he is to obey his bishop in all matters other than an extreme case (such as if his bishop were to order him to do something sinful).
That doesn't mean that Fr. Pavone can't make his case to continue working with PFL (and I would guess that he did), but once the bishop has made his decision, it is Fr. Pavone's role to obey it. In a case such as this one, his bishop will not lead him into the "wrong path." It may not be the best thing for for Fr. Pavone, or for the Pro-Life movement; it may even be that the bishop is not of good will (I'm not suggesting this, but it's possible) -- even so, the best path that Fr. Pavone can take for the good of his own soul is to obey.
No prudential argument -- no 'look at how much good was done' type argument -- can trump this.
Can someone pls summarize the complaint against him?
NO! I can’t listen to the video from here....
It IS actually black and white, as are Good and Evil. This man does amazing work for the Pro-Life movement. Would Satan take him down? In a minute. Might there be forces working to silence him, even from within the Church? Quite probably. Would they be speaking Satan’s desires or the Lord’s?
It is clear as clear can be, and no equivocating will make it different.
Oh, please. As I said, get a grip.
Here’s a free spiritual hint: when we don’t have enough vices to give the devil an in, he searches for a way to exploit and corrupt our virtues. Fr. Pavone is not immune to that. Neither are the rest of us. Don’t make an idol out of the pro-life movement, America, Ronald Reagan, the state of Israel, or any other created thing — OK?
Consider that there's more than one way to do this.
Yes, that is quite true. However, he is far from the only effective pro-life advocate in America (not to mention worldwide.) I'm reminded of the episode in the Book of Kings, where the prophet Elijah complains that "... only I am left, and they seek my life!" and the Lord tells him, "I have yet seven thousand in Israel who have never bent the knee to Ba'al."
Millions are currently working for life, most totally unknown. Those praying at the abortion clinics during the current 40 Days for Life, including in the Diocese of Amarillo. Those caring for handicapped children or incapacitated elders. The unknown religious in prayer. The people in each parish sharing with parents and caregivers. The saints interceding from Heaven. And on and on. I don't believe Father Pavone believes he's the One and Only, but some of his supporters appear to.
What has happened to him is not right.
He's been recalled to his diocese by the legitimate authority, while the finances of his organizations are looked into. There has been some conflicting information released by the Bishop and by Father Pavone, and a great deal of media and internet noise. However, I don't think any of us who is not personally involved has sufficient information to say, "What has happened is not right." At most, I think we can reasonably conclude that what's been communicated is very muddled, and that things could have been handled, by all parties, in a less confusing and disruptive way.
Who is to say the Bishop is without sin? How do you know he won't lead him down the wrong path?
th." It may not be the best thing for for Fr. Pavone, or for the Pro-Life movement; it may even be that the bishop is not of good will
I think its evil.
This is what I don't get. Father Frank has helped many people and then he gets shuffled away but then you have Father Pfleger who for years was caused nothing but strife and the Church sits on its hands with him. What also gets me is that you have catholics who receive communion who are pro abortion, pro gay agenda and the church does nothing to them. Pelosi and the others have flaunted their disobedience and nothing is done to them.
No, its not that. He's taking a stand and for that he's criticized. He is using his name to get things done. Why do we always attack those who are trying to do good and then ignore those who really do evil?
I never made him into an idol. Your apathy for the truth is sad.
Who’s this “we”?
“He sends his rain on the just and on the unjust.” (In context, the rain was a blessing, but it works even if we think of the rain as a problem.) “All things work for good unto those that love the Lord and are called according to His purpose.”
The essence of faith is that we trust God will see His will done, even if we don’t see how it’s working.
Nobody is saying the Bishop is without sin - he may even be doing this for wrong motives, that I can't say.
What we can say is that a priest being obedient to his bishop will not be led down the "wrong path".
Yes, it might be a "wrong path" as far as the pro-life movement is concerned. But the only evil Fr. Pavone can do in this situation is disobeying his bishop.
Father Frank has helped many people and then he gets shuffled away but then you have Father Pfleger who for years was caused nothing but strife and the Church sits on its hands with him. What also gets me is that you have catholics who receive communion who are pro abortion, pro gay agenda and the church does nothing to them. Pelosi and the others have flaunted their disobedience and nothing is done to them.
Sadly, I think more than a few bishops will one day have to answer for saying nothing to these who flaunt their disobedience and disrespect for the Church's teachings.
But their disobedience could never justify disobedience on Fr. Pavone's part -- even if he intended to be disobedient for the purpose of "doing good" (as though such a contradiction could exist).
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