Sorry to disappoint, but my father was born in the Balkans (& served in the US Army during WWII) and I've know what Islam was all about since I could walk. My ancestors were fighting Islam for 600 years, before the average American could even figure out what continent Bosnia was on. (Bringing home a Muslim boy was the one and only thing that would have gotten me disowned -- not that I ever tried.) I've been to the ME twice -- in 1984 and 2000. My friends number some of the most prominent writers in the US on the subject of fighting jihad. I've also been saying that Islam was aggressively on the move Westward for the last twenty years, long before 9/11. I am not the least bit ignorant as to what Islam is about, or what it does.
If we were fighting a new Crusade, I'd say "Where do I sign up?" But we are NOT fighting a Crusade. It's just that most of the American people have been successfully manipulated into thinking that we are -- and that's what's most dangerous to us as a country. We're so blind that we will bankrupt ourselves and the next generation, we will toss aside the Constitution that defines and protect us as Americans, just to "kill more muzzies" because we think that it "protects America". Unfortunately, the very things that we are doing toward that end are those things that make us weakest and most vulnerable.
I've been watching the NATO agenda for the last 20 years since the end of the Cold War.
NATO has been empowering, NOT fighting against Islam, for the last 20 years.
In the Balkans in the 1990's, NATO created two new Muslim states from previously Christian dominated territory. One of them, Bosnia still doesn't have a functional government after 16 years, but it is currently a hotbed of Al Qaeda.
Although Saddam Hussein was an anti-American bastard, before NATO intervention Iraq had the most secular Constitution in all of the Arab States. Afterward,Iraq now has a strictly Muslim Constitution.
The one thing that you can be absolutely sure of is that wherever NATO & US policy goes, Christians and non-Muslims lose, hardcore Islam wins, and hundreds of thousands of Christians are sent running for their lives --likewise in Egypt and Libya -- and likely soon in Syria -- all in the name of "bring democracy to the ME".
As much as we would like to think that we are fighting Islam, we -- along with NATO --are in fact empowering it.
If this really were just about "fighting Islamic terrorism", what would have been the very first things that you would have done as president post 9/11? Because I can tell you what I would have done:
1. Use our troops to secure the US borders
2. Stop more Islamic immigration until we got a handle on who and what was already here.
3. Go after bin Laden directly, and let the world know to stay the hell out of way until we get him.
4. Napalm every poppy field (their only "industry") in Afghanistan without putting a single boot on the ground and make every Afghan know why they were starving -- for the Taliban supporting bin Laden and what bin Laden did to us. The Taliban would be round up and shot by their own people for bringing such calamity on them.
5. Keep a close eye on the US budget so that we are owing no one, in case we might need to spend on the WOT
You can quibble with one or two of these, yet most of them are just common sense if we were just fighting Islamic radicals who hit us on 9/11 and may try to hit us again. Yet did we do any of these things? Nope. Because just fighting Islamists is not, nor was this ever what all this is about.
This country is being weakened both without and within -- by the wars, by the bank bailouts, by the loosening of our sovereignty, by being put in debt to China and Russia, by ignoring our Constitution, by the Stimulus, by allowing wars to be put solely in the hands of the Executive Branch who then hands it off to NATO or the UN or the Arab League.
Now, we are giving the Executive Branch the right to play judge, jury and executioner on an American citizen without a peep. We are willingly giving up the rights that our Founders built the very foundations of this country on, just to "kill a single important Muzzie". And that's just what those who want to destroy this country are banking on -- that we will screw ourselves in the name of fighting Islamists.
Here's the point -- over the last 20 years -- even before 9/11, we got much more militaristic even though the Cold War was over. We have no doubt gotten more socialistic under Obama. Add to that, with all the bailouts of banks and losing industries, we have also become even more pro global corporatist -- not more capitalistic. What kind of government are we moving toward? Corporatist+Socialist+Militaristic equals what? The same form of government that my dad fought WWII against, fascism.
But this isn't some American nationalistic form of fascism with goosesteppers -- this is globalist fascism -- not American at all. As a matter of fact, the USA must fall so that these globalists can rise -- meanwhile we are allowing these global corporatists to suck the lifeblood out of this country until there is nothing left. Between the over-regulation and over taxation that sent companies fleeing the US over the years, and the wars that send huge amounts of US capital out of the country never to return, and the FED that bails out foreign banks with US taxpayer money, the deliberate drain on US financial resources is bankrupting us and making us dependent on China and Russia just to keep going. And these global fascists been financing political campaigns for years because it's just good business for them to have people in power managing and looking out for their international business interests, instead of looking out for America and Americans. Chuck Baldwin a few years ago did a great job on describing who these Big Business globalists are in an article titled THE BIG BUSINESS/BIG GOVERNMENT AXIS OF EVIL
The point is that these globalists can't do it without us -- they are just manipulating us so that we give up our rights "voluntarily". We allow our domestic and foreign policy to be outsourced "voluntarily" -- all in the name of "fighting the War on Terror" and "preventing a global recession". We need to wake up and stop giving our right away, before its too late. Accepting this assassinating a US citizen without even charging him, is just one more link in the chains we are making for ourselves.
You keep mentioning a "secret kill list". It was no big secret that this Terrorist was on a kill list. Maybe it was a surprise to you, but not many others.
Unless you are pretty high up in one of the intelligence agencies, you don't know for sure who else on that list either. The reason that we first knew about Awlaki with certainty, is because his father filed suit against the government, guessing correctly that he was on the list. Otherwise, the other names have been kept secret: The Secret Memo That Explains Why Obama Can Kill Americans
I get the feeling that if Obama invaded Kosovo without Congressional approval and forced all the Muslims out (which is a war crime) you would not be finding a single Constitutional crisis about that.
I suggest you focus your consternation where it truly belongs - your Slavic brothers the Russians who could have easily dealt with the Muslims in Greater Serbia for decades but instead did nothing and finally abandoned the place to the will of Bill Clinton (of all people, which is rather embarrassing for the Russians and Serbs).
Although I am not really interested in the chip you have on your shoulder about the place, it tells a lot of what your real problem with the US is. The fact that the Middle East is a toilet is not the fault of the US. If anything the place would be much worse if not for US Global Dominance.
What we are discussing here is this targeted killing of a “US citizen”. His killing was constitutional and correct. I cited you the Law. You have provided me with nothing but meandering pathways through the foggy corridors of your mind.
But if you want common sense - here it is from this very thread, that could have saved me a few parts of my morning Freeping sessions of responding to you:
“The a-hole in question was a traitor who was actively conducting war against our armed forces. He got what he deserved.”
129 posted on Monday, October 03, 2011 6:08:31 AM by Jim Robinson