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To: edge919
Wrong. The court indeed defined "natural-born citizen" using a near-verbatim definition as used by Vattel in Law of Nations.

I really wonder how you anywone can keep peddling this. The Court specifically, in language already quoted here, acknowledged there was disagreement about whether that was the only class of natural-born citizen, rather than just a subset of NBC's. The Court acknowledged there was agreement by everyone that people born here of two citizen parents are natural born citizens (which is the part you quote), but that there was disagreement as to whether that was the only acceptable defintion. And the Supreme Court specifically stated that it was not reaching that issue in that case. For you to claim that the Court was determining something that it went out of its way to say it was NOT determining is blatant dishonesty.

96 posted on 09/20/2011 11:11:28 AM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

pretty good synopsis...it should be posted on all of these “Minor decided it” threads


98 posted on 09/20/2011 11:14:20 AM PDT by RummyChick (It's a Satan Sandwich with Satan Fries on the side - perfect for Obama 666)
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin
The Court specifically, in language already quoted here, acknowledged there was disagreement about whether that was the only class of natural-born citizen, rather than just a subset of NBC's.

You're seeing things. It doesn't say this at all. All children born in the country of parents who were its citizens. THESE are the natives, or natural-born citizens, as DISTINGHUISHED from foreigners and aliens. The next part says some authorities go further and INCLUDE AS CITIZENS, those born without reference to the citizenship of the parents. It does NOT say these people are included as natural-born citizens.

And the Supreme Court specifically stated that it was not reaching that issue in that case.

No, it said it didn't need to solve doubts for those persons who citizenship (it does NOT say natural-born citizenship) was recognized without reference to the citizenship of the parents, which tells us the person in question was born to citizen parents.

The problem with your interpretation is that Virginia Minor was arguing that her citizenship was due to the 14th amendment, which would have fallen under that second class of persons. IOW, the court had a perfect opportunity to solve any doubts, if it could do so, without regard to the citizenship of the parents. Therefore, by including that criteria in a defintion specifically about natural citizenship, they EXCLUSIVELY limited that definition to those persons born in the country of citizen parents. Others might be citizens, but they aren't NBCs. Instead they rejected Viriginia's argument on the basis that she was an NBC. Read the whole case. The context is there. Years later, the WKA decision made a point of saying Minor was the child of citizen parents in acknowledging her citizenship. There would have been no need to do this unless it mattered.

142 posted on 09/20/2011 12:27:22 PM PDT by edge919
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