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To: Mr Rogers
They didn’t. Vattel wrote, “Les Naturels ou indigènes font ceux qui font nés dans le pays de Parens Citoyens.” That was translated as “The natives, or the indigines...” in all English editions until 1797 - 10 years AFTER the Constitution was written.

What you left out is that the founders translated "naturel" to "natural born" and "natural" in the Journals of the Continental Congress prior to the adoption of the Constitution. Considering the rest of the passage from Vattel is about natural, native or indigenous citizenship, it STILL REQUIRES citizen parents. Also considering the founders wanted to limit foreign influence, this definition of natural-born citizen is in concert with the "nomenclature" as the Supreme Court explained was used by the founders to define the term found in Art II, Sec I.

507 posted on 09/21/2011 2:30:45 PM PDT by edge919
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To: edge919; Forty-Niner

“What you left out is that the founders translated “naturel” to “natural born” and “natural” in the Journals of the Continental Congress prior to the adoption of the Constitution.”

Not true. The passage you refer to has “sujets naturel” - which is translated natural born subject for the British, and natural born citizen for America. Naturel by itself is NOT translated NBC, but native or natural.

Further, the bad translation of Vattel has “indigenes” translated NBC, when it OBVIOUSLY is the same as “indigenous”.

And, beyond any doubt, they did NOT adopt Vattel’s idea that citizenship is controlled by the parents, and not by birth place. This is not Switzerland.


512 posted on 09/21/2011 3:43:17 PM PDT by Mr Rogers ("they found themselves made strangers in their own country")
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To: edge919; Mr Rogers

What Mr Rogers appears to be unaware of is that all of the founders that participated in the development of the constitution mostly studied in French, not english, because it was the accepted language of the intellectuals at the time. If one wanted to be current in world affairs, one read French.


521 posted on 09/21/2011 4:50:01 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Sarah Palin - 2012 !)
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