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To: edge919; Forty-Niner

“What you left out is that the founders translated “naturel” to “natural born” and “natural” in the Journals of the Continental Congress prior to the adoption of the Constitution.”

Not true. The passage you refer to has “sujets naturel” - which is translated natural born subject for the British, and natural born citizen for America. Naturel by itself is NOT translated NBC, but native or natural.

Further, the bad translation of Vattel has “indigenes” translated NBC, when it OBVIOUSLY is the same as “indigenous”.

And, beyond any doubt, they did NOT adopt Vattel’s idea that citizenship is controlled by the parents, and not by birth place. This is not Switzerland.


512 posted on 09/21/2011 3:43:17 PM PDT by Mr Rogers ("they found themselves made strangers in their own country")
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To: Mr Rogers
Not true.

It is true and you proved it by giving the exact citation. 'Sujets" is only translated as "subject." This means that "naturel" is the part that was translated as "natural born." The founders would have read Vattel's passage on citizenship to be a passage about "natural" or "natural born citizenship." You're destroying YOUR OWN argument. Thanks.

514 posted on 09/21/2011 4:04:04 PM PDT by edge919
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To: Mr Rogers
"They found themselves made strangers in their own country"

So Nunez became a citizen of the Country of the Blind, and these people ceased to be a generalised people and became individualities to him, and familiar to him, while the world beyond the mountains became more and more remote and unreal ...

518 posted on 09/21/2011 4:29:51 PM PDT by bvw
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To: Mr Rogers
[The sighted man escapes, just hours before the citizens of the lost valley of the blind are to put his eyes out, so that he may be fully one of them. With good fortune he finds a previously hidden way back up the steep mountains to the world. He stops upon seeing the outside world for the first time in years ... ]

It seemed to him that before this splendour he and this blind world in the valley, and his love and all, were no more than a pit of sin.


519 posted on 09/21/2011 4:37:13 PM PDT by bvw
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To: Mr Rogers

>> Further, the bad translation of Vattel has “indigenes” translated NBC, when it OBVIOUSLY is the same as “indigenous”. <<

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You’ve never studied the French language at all, have you?


522 posted on 09/21/2011 4:57:07 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Sarah Palin - 2012 !)
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To: Mr Rogers; edge919

“This is not Switzerland.”

Neither is it golly Olde Britin either!

The USSC disagrees with you in many, many decisions.......sorry pal, you’ve been pushing this a few years now and no-one is buying it......

If you like Obama so much adopt him......


532 posted on 09/21/2011 6:01:21 PM PDT by Forty-Niner (Ursus Arctos Horribilis......got my GRRRRR on!)
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