Posted on 09/07/2011 4:30:22 PM PDT by PJ-Comix
I just got off the blower with Brent R. Weil [above] 0f Kightlinger and Gray, LLP. The Evansville, Indiana lawyer represents the [as yet unnamed] gun store that sold firearms to ATF-enabled straw purchasers. “The ATF told my client to let the sales go through,” Mr. Weil told TTAG. “He later told me that the guns went to Chicago gangs.” In one case, a straw purchaser failed to pass the FBI’s NICS [National Instant Check System] background check . . .
The dealer called an ATF agent in the parking lot; the agent told the dealer to let the sale go through. The ATF arrested the so-called straw purchaser after he walked out the door. In every other instance, however, the ATF did not apprehend the buyers immediately after purchase.
In one case, a buyer and his associate left the store and smashed their vehicle into a police car on their way out. (Seriously.) The driver was charged with the traffic incident, but allowed to keep the guns and proceed. Whether or not the ATF kept tabs on the guns after that, or if guns were used in subsequent crimes, is unknown.
Mr. Weil also threw some cold water on the theory that Mexican cartel members in Indiana purchased the guns with the ATF’s blessing as part of an anti-Los Zetas quid pro quo. “The buyers were black and caucasian,” Weil said. Also, the gun store in question initiated the contact with the ATF.
The new information doesn’t rule out the possibility that the Indiana gun store “sting” involved criminals affiliated with the Sinaloa or La Familia cartels (whom the ATF armed during Operation Fast and Furious). But that possibility seems a whole lot less likely.
Nonetheless, the Indiana intel reveals that the ATF was allowing known criminals to purchase firearms. The crucial question: did they lose track of the guns accidentally on purpose, as they did during Operation Fast and Furious?
And if the guns purchased in Evansville ended up in The Windy City, the ATF’s heir apparent—Chi-town Bureau Chief Andrew Traver—must have known about the policy. What did Andy know and when did he know it?
As Ralph points out below, we’re still left wondering about the scope, scale and final destination of all ATF-enabled firearms. How many vicious thugs bought firearms with the ATF’s help? How many of those were recovered and/or recovered from crime scenes?
Meanwhile, rumors are swirling that the Carson City killer used an ATF-enabled AK-47 during his murderous rampage. The attacker, Eduardo Sencion, was Mexican-born (with an American passport) with no criminal record.
There’s no firm evidence establishing linking Sencion with the ATF. The fact that anyone would even think of that possibility reveals the corrosive effect of the ATF on the public’s respect for the federal government and the primacy of the rule of law. It’s yet another reason to deep-six the ATF—after we find out what they’ve been doing with our tax money.
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“A domestic army, just as well funded as our military”, or something to that effect. Arming the brown shirts.
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Flashback: Violent Chicago Weekend: 7 Shooting Deaths In 24 Hours
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/01/violent-chicago-weekend-7_n_209844.html
It doesn’t look like they will be happy until there is blood in the streets. Personally, I think that has been the goal all along from this admin.
These corrupt whackamole’s are arming criminals for their personal army...and using taxpayer stimulus dollars to do it.
That may be too conspiracy-ish for some, but look them!
They armed two battalions (that we know)of terrorists down in Mexico just out of Arizona State alone. They sold some more out of Texas and Florida. That are sitting on our border waiting, for what? ATF guns are now showing up in Phoenix, Los Angeles, Chicago, and Indianpolis and God know where else that we don’t know about yet.
I’d say an audit of those stimulus dollars needs to happen fast and make Obama and Biden accountable for every dime of it. We certainly need to know how much of it the DOJ and HLS got so as to get an idea of how many weapons they’ve bought and put into circulation with it.
They know Americans are arming up faster than they can slide on goose poop.
I used to think that UM INSIDER blogger was hookey and writing and guessing like a poli junkie to get blog hits but the INSIDER said will lead back to Chicago and predicted (I think before the first race riots in WI)the race war.
Could the New York Gun deaths be Obama gunrunner related?
Flashback:
http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Labor-Day-Violence-New-York-City-shootings-129268118.html
This happened after the Post Office Department Chicago disaster. For a variety of reasons having to do with the routing of the railroads most non-preferential mail went from local post offices to Chicago where it was redirected to delivery offices.
Direct Mail Advertising was a growing business. The system collapsed in October 1966 when hundreds of tractor trailers full of mail ended up backed in near downtown residential neighborhoods waiting to be unloaded at the Chicago General Post Office.
The GPO itself was shut down for three weeks in the critical Fall Christmas advertising period.
Several years later the Post Office Department strike occurred when inflation reduced the value of postal pay to near welfare levels.
Congress finally took action to solve the problem of limited capacity and low postal pay with the Postal Reorganization Act that Richard Nixon signed.
NO ONE DIED in the Chicago mail backup. NO ONE DIED in the Postal strike. PEOPLE ARE DYING due to ATF's multipronged scandals.
No one will be retained as that agency is disposed of by Republicans in February 2013.
They hit a POLICE car?
In Chicago?
With the guns in the car and those Chicago cops LET THEM GO???
I have in fact, actually heard it all now.
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There's little ATF can do to change the balance in those cities.
BTW, both cities have ordinances in place to prohibit gun ownership by honest, lawabiding citizens. The purpose is to make sure the existing leadership elite is not disturbed in its place of power.
David Codrea has good documentation that the ATF permitted these guns to walk. Hope Issa uses that documentation in the hearings.
Don’t you find it at all interesting that these gun battles and deaths are happening now?
It asn’t that long ago we were questioning why the Department of Education was stockpiling automatic weapons. Now we have had these horrendous shootings in NYC, a horrible mumber of deaths in Chicago, National Guardsman shot with an AK-47 in Caeon Vity...and the list goes on and on.
I am beginning to really question whether the Second Amendment ever entered into their thought processes or if they were intent on fomenting violence deliberately. Because at some point, they intend to goad us into a response, and when that happens, all bets are off.
I am beginning to get the feeling that there is some changing hands at the BATF. Just a feeling, nothing specific.
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