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Why I Cannot Support the Rick Perry Candidacy
opinion | 9/4/2011 | brianbaldwin

Posted on 09/04/2011 10:54:37 PM PDT by Brian_Baldwin

Personally in my opinion, each State has the right to decide how to handle illegal immigration and allocation of the law and State rights to such illegal aliens in the event that the Federal government refuses to follow the constitutional and legal obligations under the law. Having said that, I still feel that, the Federal government should complete the fence as was agreed upon and that each State certainly does not have the right to refuse the fence nor should they be in the business of taking on the debt to built it themselves.

Having said that, my opinion, and of which I would hope fellow citizens of my State would share (too many do not, but I guess that is democracy and representative government), is my personal opinion that illegal immigration is a threat to our very principles of constitutional sovereignty. No accordance should be given to it, no allowance, no favor. Period.

Illegal immigration is not my primary, single issue of importance. I am not a single issue voter. During this time, the issue of most importance to me individually is the economy of our nation. I have four issue of which are important to me during this election cycle, and of which will continue to be of importance to me until a resolution to my concern puts these issues to rest:

(1) Jobs, the debt of our nation, the falling value of the US dollar, the stability and growth of the stock market and the GDP, the decline of domestic industrial production and exportation of industrial and military technology, in other words the economy and the current state of economic decline
(2) The war on terrorism, the threat from modern politicized Islamic fascism, and the strength of our military readiness in face of …
(3) Illegal immigration, which is a serious violation of our constitutional sovereignty, the sanctity of our democratic vote, and without hesitation I am not speaking of Russians, or Chinese, or those from India or Europe or others who have not had the blanket luck of being directly adjacent to the borders of the United States, nor am I speaking to political or social refuges whether they come from far or just over the border, but rather I qualify that I am specifically and without any racial motive speaking to the invasion of large numbers of uneducated Mexican class who are not interested in assimilation but have many other personal or even ulterior motives of which we can no longer consent to in the name of helping the poor, nor tolerate the crimes, nor allow the security threat to remain in the face of drug cartels who would also assist Islamic terrorists …
(4) Crime – which in notable part is also linked to issue number 3 and 1 ...

All of these issues are of vital importance to me. I am not a single issue voter and frankly I do not want to hear statements that try to claim so. Having a stance on these issues is larger than any of that. If a candidate does not speak in terms of these issues, but holds an opinion so directly counter to my vital concerns and voices it in such a manner, I simply cannot support such a candidate.

The other day, it came to my attention that candidate Perry, whom until then I was very enthusiastic about, does not, and has publically stated he will not, support the border fence. I have researched and found that what was being told to me in this regard is, in fact. That he does not support the fence, that he supports in-state tuition and other rip-offs to legal citizens, that he did not stand with Arizona.

Now that the truth has been verified, I cannot support Rick Perry. I have noticed that Mitt Romney is publically taking a counter position, and pointing out we must stop providing incentives that promote illegal immigration, that as governor he vetoed legislation that would have provided in-state tuition, and he has now publically called for the building of the border fence as a priority. No doubt, others may say that Romney is simply making such public statements in the face of Perry’s surge in the polls among conservatives after the Perry announcement for candidacy. There could be truth in that, but it doesn’t change the fact that Perry, even as recent as this week, made statements in relation to the illegal immigration question that simply eradicates any chance of a personal consideration on my part to vote for his candidacy. Period.

I don’t care what Perry supporters say, I think we are now going to see the typical and historic pattern that occurs during the Primary contest which is, you see a candidate who is in part unknown emerge during the Primary, who may even initially surge in the polls and in support by the Party members, but as we learn more about the candidate we simply realize that perhaps another choice would be more wise.

I believe this is exactly what is going to happen here. I believe the surge in support for Perry, due to this Achilles’ heel in regards to his stand on illegal immigration, will notably wane his support to the benefit of other candidates.

I also understand that Michele Bachmann has made similar public statements to those of Romney, that she has a firm stand regarding illegal immigration which I support and thank her for, and of course I have already had a liking for her candidacy and this only reinforces it.

My personal opinion is, understandably, not of importance and simply posting such an opinion can seem pompous. I am only using my personal opinion in this regard to example what is no doubt likely about to happen, the gut on it, which is -

- that the Rick Perry candidacy is going to fail, unless he dramatically changes his stance on this. And even if doing so to members of the Republican Party who are really making the difference, and that is specifically the conservatives, even a dramatic turn around on this issue may not be enough.

Politics is a tough game. Actually, it is not a game. And it can be very dirty. That is how it is. One candidate will attempt to defeat another through exposure of the other candidate. Exposure can come in terms of personal attacks. But this is not a personal attack, not by any of the other candidates who would benefit through a decline in support for Perry. Truthfully exposing opinions and where a candidate stands on an issue, even if done as part of defeating another candidate, is expected, and is how politics works. It is not fun. Not for anyone. It is how it is, and it is serious business.


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1 posted on 09/04/2011 10:54:46 PM PDT by Brian_Baldwin
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To: Brian_Baldwin

Your candidate is?


2 posted on 09/04/2011 10:57:58 PM PDT by Patrick1 ("The problem with Internet quotations is that many are not genuine." - Abraham Lincoln)
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To: Brian_Baldwin

For the next year, be very, very careful about your sources of information. Rick Perry is NOT against a fence, but wants to use a fence in a smart way along with the National Guard. This is in line with a conversation I had last week with someone high up in Homeland Security. A fence on its own isn’t the only answer. You wouldn’t believe the complicated systems that are in place by illegal drug and human traffickers. You can count on Rick Perry not being quoted correctly, ever.

And, now that I’m on a bit of a rant, why does the MSM and anti-Perry people expect us to not give Perry credit for a healthy Texas economy but want us to believe that after 2.5 years, Obama has nothing to do with America’s economic semi-collapse??


3 posted on 09/04/2011 11:02:06 PM PDT by ChocChipCookie (Jonah is my patron saint.)
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To: Brian_Baldwin

Wow are you asking for it. The Perry Camp is not going to be happy with you.


4 posted on 09/04/2011 11:04:19 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: Brian_Baldwin

Oh for pete’s sakes...not this same crackpot bag of lies about immigration reform!

How many times are we going to have to hear this krap?


5 posted on 09/04/2011 11:04:23 PM PDT by RowdyFFC
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To: ChocChipCookie
What is MSM?

And the statements are right from Perry himself. Of course I considered that there is more than one way to skin a cat (e.g. other methods rather than the fence). But no, he isn't being very clear about this at all. Sorry ... but we need to try everything, including the fence, just get it done. And, from watching video, and reading his words, I am of the opinion he is soft on illegal aliens. Period.

6 posted on 09/04/2011 11:05:54 PM PDT by Brian_Baldwin
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To: Brian_Baldwin

State which politician you back and get ready to rumble..(and it better not be Romney)


7 posted on 09/04/2011 11:06:29 PM PDT by max americana (FUBO NATION 2012 FK BARAK)
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To: Brian_Baldwin

The illegal alien problem is a federal problem. States do not seal the nation’s borders. The US government enforces the borders. Fences do not work, its a waste of money. Patrols and law enforcement are needed on the borders, and within the nation, to force illegal aliens out. One cannot stack the dead bodies of illegal immigrants into fences made so high until they can no longer cross over. They can always cross over, under or through. What we need are policies to make then leave (not entice them to stay as per Obama policy).


8 posted on 09/04/2011 11:06:54 PM PDT by FlyingEagle
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To: gunsequalfreedom

It’s not so much being in one camp or another and more about not believe everything we read and hear.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2773478/posts

I’m going to keep an eye on the GOP candidates under the greatest fire by the libs and the media and I’ll know who to support. They’re not afraid of Romney. They love Huntsman. They’ve had their fun with Bachmann and seem to be leaving her alone — target neutralized. I think they’re going to have a much harder time with Perry.


9 posted on 09/04/2011 11:11:34 PM PDT by ChocChipCookie (PRAY FOR TEXAS!)
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To: Brian_Baldwin

Rick Perry has taken the EXACT SAME STANCE as Sarah Palin has on immigration reform...and that stance is that we cannot speak to immigration reform until the border is secure and the influx has stopped!

THOSE ARE HIS AND HER EXACT WORDS!

As far as a fencce across 1200 miles of Texas wilderness is concerned, WHO THE HELL IS GOING TO STOP ANYBODY FROM CLIMBING OVER IT?

Rick Perry’s stance is EXACTLY ON SPOT...that ONLY boots on the ground at the Texas border are going to stop them crossing. And he has put more boots on the ground on that border than the federal government WHOM WE PAY to protect it!


10 posted on 09/04/2011 11:11:44 PM PDT by RowdyFFC
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To: FlyingEagle

“The illegal alien problem is a federal problem. States do not seal the nation’s borders. The US government enforces the borders. Fences do not work, its a waste of money. “

It must be a great mystery to you how Arizona passed 1070 and California passed Prop 187.

If course, it’s the “just give up” attitude that you espouse that has made the Open Border/ Treason Lobby’s work so much easier. La Raza wants useful idiots to do their work for them, and the GOP has given them plenty of volunteers.


11 posted on 09/04/2011 11:12:13 PM PDT by Pelham ("Resist we much!" - Al 'Jiffypop' Sharpton)
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To: Brian_Baldwin
Perry is alright in my book. Let's get Perry elected as soon as possible.

How great does she look in those heels? Enough said.

12 posted on 09/04/2011 11:12:22 PM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Patrick1

Why do you care who “his” candidate is? So you can pigeon hole him as a palinista, a Paulbot, or whatever and dismiss what he says?

If you disagree with what he wrote, counter his arguments. Fight his reasoning with your reasoning, apply logic and correct some misstated facts, but don’t just dismiss him because you want to fit him in some neat association.

Texas’ relationship with Mexico is very different from that of California or Mexico. An initiative like Prop 187 never would have passed in Texas. It’s not that Texans favor illegal immigration, but we recognize a real need for much of the labor that does come in. We want lots of legal cross-border traffic.

Also, we have a much smaller welfare state than California, so we don’t feel we’re getting raped like taxpayers there do.

Regardless, I think even most Texan’s are coming to the realization we need to secure the border through some affirmative means. Nothing will be fool-proof, but it needs to be a lot better (as an aside, the only ‘fool-proof’ solution is for Mexico to become open, free, stable, and prosperous - then they can filter out those coming from Central America - that’s decades away though).

Perry is my governor and I voted for him in every statewide election he’s run in. I won’t support him for president though.

He is good at keeping the status quo. His knee-jerk response to most issues is another government program.

We can’t afford the status quo any longer or any more government programs. We need somebody who actually has cut the size of government. NOTHING in Perry’s background suggests he would cut government costs, payrolls, or programs. He’d just change the beneficiaries.


13 posted on 09/04/2011 11:14:21 PM PDT by TexasGunRunner (Don't wait, join/donate now to restore the US: http://www.organize4palin.com/)
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To: max americana
I have not made a final choice - but for now, it sure isn't going to be Perry. I like what Bachmann has said, and I make the obvious point that other candidates such a Romney will counter such an obvious Achilles’ heel in regards to Perry and illegal immigration.

Sorry, Perry supporters aren't going to convince me with such claims, I think I will be proven correct that his candidacy is going to start going downhill because of this. If Perry supporters want to attack me, fine with me. Basically, this is a dead ender for him unless he comes out forcefully to turn it around.

Good luck, but he's off my list.

14 posted on 09/04/2011 11:14:47 PM PDT by Brian_Baldwin
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To: Brian_Baldwin

Rick Perry has taken the EXACT SAME STANCE as Sarah Palin has on immigration reform...and that stance is that we cannot speak to immigration reform until the border is secure and the influx has stopped!

THOSE ARE HIS AND HER EXACT WORDS!

As far as a fencce across 1200 miles of Texas wilderness is concerned, WHO THE HELL IS GOING TO STOP ANYBODY FROM CLIMBING OVER IT?

Rick Perry’s stance is EXACTLY ON SPOT...that ONLY boots on the ground at the Texas border are going to stop them crossing. And he has put more boots on the ground on that border than the federal government WHOM WE PAY to protect it!


15 posted on 09/04/2011 11:15:28 PM PDT by RowdyFFC
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To: ChocChipCookie
For the next year, be very, very careful about your sources of information. Rick Perry is NOT against a fence, but wants to use a fence in a smart way...

Put another way, Perry will mobilize 100,000 national guard troops along the border his first day in office as President, he will build a border security fence that is state of the art and known to work, and Perry will take a position that not one person should enter the country illegally.

The border security construction Perry advocates will stretch the entire length of the U.S. southern border and will look something like the pictures below.

That's Perry's position, right?

or this


16 posted on 09/04/2011 11:16:17 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: RowdyFFC
How many times are we going to have to hear this krap?

Oh, I don't know, maybe in another 20 million illegal residents along with several thousand more terrorists.

Geez, some people are so krazy to think this is really an issue and to expect a presidential candidate to clearly state their position aren't they.

17 posted on 09/04/2011 11:19:51 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: Brian_Baldwin

I really don’t care for the phrase, “Having said that,” and you seem to say it a lot. I like Rick Perry. And you have not convinced me that he isn’t our man. So thank you for your opinion. Now go away.


18 posted on 09/04/2011 11:20:38 PM PDT by ExtremeUnction
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To: FlyingEagle
The illegal alien problem is a federal problem. States do not seal the nation’s borders.

It is an election for president, isn't it?

19 posted on 09/04/2011 11:20:42 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: Brian_Baldwin

I really don’t care for the phrase, “Having said that,” and you seem to say it a lot. I like Rick Perry. And you have not convinced me that he isn’t our man. So thank you for your opinion. Now go away.


20 posted on 09/04/2011 11:20:50 PM PDT by ExtremeUnction
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