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A very good piece on the dissolution of societies and the consequences. Many have paralleled out survival as a nation and the length of the Roman Empire.

The very thought of a civil war should frighten any sane person. Some of my ancestors participated in the last one and were on the loosing side. They chose to pack up and leave because of the intolerable abuse of power following the end of the war. They chose to come to Texas and live in the most harsh unsettle land to be free of that.

Are we there again, I pray that we are not.

The article is worth the read.

1 posted on 08/20/2011 12:25:21 PM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: Texas Fossil

“Many have paralleled out survival as a nation and the length of the Roman Empire.”

Cicero described our current welfare state back in his day. Things just don’t change.


2 posted on 08/20/2011 12:35:43 PM PDT by dljordan ("Tyranny, like Hell, is not easily conquered.")
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The divide in this country is real, and deep. But it took Rome about 300 years to fall, and then largely because they never solved the problem of peaceful succession. It was not civil war so much as it was dissolution.

So far, despite all the obscene crap going on, we have not come to that. If we get to the point Rome did, of dividing the empire among rival "emporers"(there were four, at one point in time), then yes the issue will be decided by violence.

3 posted on 08/20/2011 12:36:34 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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Obama and Caracalla both spurious born.


4 posted on 08/20/2011 12:40:55 PM PDT by bushpilot1
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The Democrats are our Vandals!


5 posted on 08/20/2011 12:44:48 PM PDT by Cheetahcat (Carnival commie side show, started November 4 2008 ,A date that will live in Infamy.)
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The article is worth the read.

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certainly true. very profound and thought-provoking.
thank you for posting it.


7 posted on 08/20/2011 1:24:25 PM PDT by Elendur (It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. - Thomas Jefferson)
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[The very thought of a civil war should frighten any sane person. ]

I have just written book titled “Surviving Civil War II” Preparing for Economic, Political and Social Collapse”.

The bad news is that civil war is inevitable because the economics of the european welfare state we have embraced are doomed to utter collapse. In fact, as the London riots show, we are already in a civil war, so no need to try and incite one, conservatives are trying to preserve the system not tear it down

The good news is that we shouldn’t go through anything as horrendous as CWI because in part territory has changed to Cyberspace where only virtual beings die.

A big difference too is that the regime cannot count on the military or national guard to do its dirty work (too conservative), and is therefore reduced to using ineffectual proxy armies of illegals, union brownshirts and enviro-anarchists.

Also interesting is that this civil war is also over slavery, but this time it is debt bondage and indentured servituded to support $200 trillion in unfunded liabilities rather than plantation servitude. Inflation is a form of enforced peonage.

Just to be clear, this isn’t a call for war, this is about how you survive physically and financially the chaos that progrssives have been trying to start for decades, all the way back to their Marxist revolutionary roots. I’m just a reporter of the obvious. The progressive utopian system is collapsing on its own, so we don’t have to pick fights, we just have to stay safe and get to the other side.

http://www.futurnamics.com/civilwar.php


8 posted on 08/20/2011 1:32:49 PM PDT by DaxtonBrown (HARRY: Money Mob & Influence (See my Expose on Reid on amazon.com written by me!))
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This is a good article...Dr Williams addressed this when the real divide accelerated:

It's Time to Part Company

I have to agree, however, that a "separation" into a "conservative part" and a "socialist statist part" would not last long since it would not be long until the socialists would be out of money and come whining to the conservatives to "bail them out"...

..no CWII must be a final defeat and banishment of one side or the other or there will never be "peace".

It will be the kind of "peace" without freedom that totalitarians bring...the equal sharing of misery, except for the "leaders"...

...or the peace that real freedom and prosperity brings...the Peace of God.

9 posted on 08/20/2011 1:56:22 PM PDT by B.O. Plenty (Give war a chance...)
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If the powers that be know you will never rebel or secede then they own you.

State secession is viable option to redress an overpowering central government and should be discussed OPENLY. It is truly the ONLY thing that really gets FEDGOV™'s attention. Everything else is BS.

It's a republic, if we can keep it.

"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."

                --John Stuart Mill
                    English economist & philosopher (1806 - 1873)

11 posted on 08/20/2011 2:18:42 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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