[GourmetDan]

""True science (and reality) doesn't have 'causes', 'purposes', 'ends', 'goals', etc., people do."

"You have it backwards, you are assuming causes where none exist."

You have it backwards, you assume no cause, purpose, end, goal, etc where all exist.

How do people have these things independent of reality?

Are you saying that people are supernatural?

[LeGrande]

You have it backwards, you assume no cause, purpose, end, goal, etc where all exist.

How do people have these things independent of reality?

Are you saying that people are supernatural?

Your 'logic' is truly bizarre. Except as an idea 'supernatural' doesn't exist. Nothing is independent of reality. Obviously your pattern recognition procedures are in over drive (there is a good evolutionary reason for that) so lets put it to the test.

Lets say that I shake a thousand die and they all come up sixes. Can you tell me the cause followed by the effect? That is your premise isn't it, that everything has a cause and effect?