Posted on 08/13/2011 9:04:47 PM PDT by ThurstonHowell3
I really like what I'm HEARING from Rick Perry from his speeches and I liked his famous prayer from a few days ago. He has the appearence of what I WANT from a presidential candidate.
But I am concerned about some of the questions being raised about his record not on immigration but on ILLEGAL immigration.
I would appreciate some feedback from those who know more about his record with SOURCES to substantiate them (good or bad).
For instance, I've HEARD people say that he attended Bilderberg 2007. I'm not one who has much knowledge on "Bilderbergers", Tri-lateral Commission Illuminati and all of those topics often discussed by so-called "conspiracy theorists". But I don't dismiss them, especially in these days when yesterdays "conspiracy theory" seems to be today's reality.
More than ever I am not ready to believe anyone just because they say the right things and have a form of godliness. Cultists all do that well and are very compelling. I want to know more about his ACTIONS and history.
Thanks for your feedback in advance.
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Mud flood ahead I’ve HEARD.
Excellent summary. Thanks for posting. I’ll have to print that out for future reference.
Yes, Perry cleans up well and is articulate. Look how far that got us with Obama. Regarding the Vincente Fox thing, that’s typical Perry. He tells his audience of the day what they want to hear. Right before elections, he always talks tough and turns conservative, however once he’s got the votes he slips quickly back into his old liberal ways. He’s been in Texas politics for 30 years and has the stick your finger in the air to see which way the wind is blowing that day gameplay down pat. Notice, all these years he has played footsie with Mexico and done nothing about the border or sanctuary cities until he decides he’s going to run for POTUS. Coincidence, huh.
Folks, we can do better and should have to settle. Gov. Goodhair is a full fledged RINO. This Texas household does not want to see him get the nomination. We’re tired of holding our noses voting for him. The only reason he got this term was because conservatives rushed to vote against Kay Bailey Hutchinson rather than for him. A couple days ago, a poll at www.kxan.com (central Texas news station) was running at 2/3rds against voting for him until later in the day when his supporters hit it making the final total 58% still not wanting to vote for him. That should tell you something.
Perry cleans up well and is articulate. Look how far that got us with Obama.
Exactly. No Independents or conservative Democrats are going to vote for another no-name congressperson just because they make pretty sounds. People are going to go back to what has worked (or at least didn’t so totally screw things up) in the past. A successful governor.
Bachman and Palin have as much chance as Paul. You think otherwise, you are just deluding yourself.
Period. End of story.
Governors in Texas are merely figureheads. They are paper signers and speech makers. They are far down the list when it comes to making laws. It’s the Texas legislature and it’s people who do that. Yes, Texas is holding it’s own fairly well during this economic crisis but it’s thanks to the Texas legislature that have encouraged tech companies and such to move from both coasts because we have cheaper land and lower salaries. This has nothing to do with anything the governor has done. Again, anyone can be a “successful” Texas governor, even my cat if he’d learn to sign his name.
Perry came out publicly against AZ1070 which contains sensible provisions, like requiring all businesses to take 60 seconds to use e-verify before hiring, that actually work. He’s also BFF with Vicente Fox, and shares his vision for a borderless North America. He’s a militant open borders progressive to the core.
And immigration’s only one issue. Perry’s record as governor is disgusting on any number of fronts. What do you want to discuss next? How Perry tried to line his and Giuliani’s pockets by confiscating private land and building the NAU super highway right through the heart of Texas? How he ran Texas coffers dry on insane corporate welfare handouts in exchange for campaign donation kickbacks? Maybe how he used his position of executive privilege to run conservative justices out of the Texas courts?
Tell Perry to start using his real name if he wants to earn back the public trust he’s been cynically exploiting for personal gain the last 10 years. He’s not earned the right to lead a country whose borders he’d like to erase from the map.
Thank God there is some sanity left on this forum! I thought I was the only one who saw through this fake, phony, fraud(thank you Bob Grant). He was looking at his notes every five seconds yesterday. He doesn’t believe a thing he says. He is certainly not a true blue passionate conservative or libertarian. He mouths words I think as poorly as ZerO.
You sure do push one single law, one single solution to a problem. Texas is not Arizona.
Our State and Federal laws already require the arrested to have their identity checked. We have a lot of resistance in Texas to making new law to hang on local Sheriffs and Law Enforcement, which is where our “sanctuary” problem comes from.
We have 150 members in the House and 30 in the Senate, everyone just as independent as can be. None of them wish to be seen as a follower.
This year, we had several forces working. One was the passage of good bills left some Lege members convinced we had gotten enough. Another was that we have a lot to get through in the 4-5 months the Lege is in Session. Redistricting is huge, with the next ten years of elections hanging on the outcome.
Other time-consuming issues were successful: abortion restrictions, education, and the one thing the Constitution requires - the budget for 2012 and 2013, which must be balanced based on projections.
We got the ultrasound bill and Voter ID that were fast tracked. In addition, we de-funded not only abortion-focused businesses by diverting family planning funds to comprehensive, continuing care. We also confirmed other restrictions and made new law to ensure that county and city hospitals and clinics that perform elective abortions will no longer receive State tax dollars.
We got a voter ID. It appears that it will stand, unlike similar law in Arizona. (We did have their experience to draw on.)
The sanctuary cities bill passed the Senate, but coalitions fell apart all over the State over wording that our Attorney General suggested in order to pass the scrutiny that the courts have given similar laws in other States.
You sure do ignore the point.
Our discussion, and your defense of Perry, was predicated on the fact that Perry couldn't sign a law that wasn't passed. I pointed out that he could have advocated a law like that and called for one. You even posted that "The Lege may only deal with specific items that the Governor names..." which means he has every right to do so.
Yet, he hasn't.
All your points are how the "lege" passes laws and Perry signs them. Show me where he's leading on this issue and I'll start to pay attention.
Like I said, when it comes to the illegals in TX, Perry, like Obama, chooses to lead from behind (unless you can show me otherwise).
http://af.reuters.com/article/energyOilNews/idAFN1517695420101215
A man is only as good as his word.
Well, the problem with that is so many don’t read the words when they open the speech. They open it up and OMG, OMG, OMG, OMG! He made a speech praising a Muslim. Without knowing or bothering to find out whether that Muslim deserves the praise or not. I think Martin Luther King said it best about judging someone’s character instead of their color. And of course small minds have not the ability to understand what a huge change the man is trying to make among the ignorance of his own people.
Mexico is our neighbor, whether YOU like it or not. We do abut $50 billion dollars in trade with them every year. As a matter of fact I love going to Mexico a lot of the people there are not as small minded as you are.
So, Perry spoke to La Raza, the many of whom are constituents in his state, whether YOU like it or not. He made the comment that the Arizona bill was not ‘exactly’ right for Texas, didn’t say ‘how’ it wasn’t exactly right, but he made no promise to veto similar legislation, and he didn’t. In fact he tried to pass very similar legislation. He went on to criticize the federal government for not securing the border and protecting Americans from violence. And he told them until the border is secure there will be no legislation on immigration reform OMG! OMG! OMG! What AUDACIOUS PANDERING! HE REALLY LICKED THEIR BOOTS DIDN’T HE? HE WAS JUST ON HIS KNEES!
Only YOU and the DEMOCRATS would lie and try to make a big deal out of that speech to score points on Perry.
Get over yourself.
I heard Perry used to be a democrat and supported the Clinton’s and Al Gore back in the 80’s.
And the taxpayers of Texas HAVE to pay for all this BS. We wouldn’t have so much trouble with school funding if we weren’t having to pay to educate half of frigging Mexico.
If anybody has any questions about how providing free schooling, free services (such as hospital care), and instate tuition to illegals will turn out.....look to Cali.
We are financially ruined because of illegals. Those that don't place much importance on Perry's handling of TX's border problems have their heads in the sand.
Now we get to talk bout Rick Perry. He's running, his announcement tomorrow in South Carolina timed to blow all the other candidates scrambling for votes in Iowa's meaningless straw poll out of the water. He doesn't take prisoners. He's also the next president.
Actually, though, this isn't about him, but rather the profound mendacious stupidity of his Dem critics.
That libsite linked above begging the PIAPS to run, Salon, put up this hilarious hit-piece Wednesday (8/09), Rick Perry: The Pro-Sharia Candidate? The kid who wrote it, Justin Elliott, is wonderfully ignorant of what he's blathering about.
His accusation is that Perry is buds with the Aga Khan. Somehow, that means he will promote the imposition of radical Moslem sharia law upon America if president. The Aga Khan is indeed, as Elliott says, the spiritual leader of a form of Islam called Ismailism, and is revered by the some 20 million Ismailis round the world.
We talked about the Ismailis in The Pamir Knot (September 2010). We learned that they "believe in a mystical, peaceful form of Islam that is the antithesis of hate, violence, and Sharia imperialism that infuses mainstream Sunni or Shia Islam."
Further:
"There are no mosques in the Pamirs, because Ismailis have no mosques. They pray privately - men and women together. Ismaili men are extremely respectful of women. The thought of treating women as an inferior form of humanity as does mainstream Islam is as disgusting to Ismaili men as it is to us. No Ismaili man would even think of demanding his wife wear a veil or cover her face in public...
"Up in these lost mountains on the roof of the world, there is a form of Islam that should be a model for Moslems all over the world, a moral contrast to the medieval evil of Wahhabi Islam of the Saudis, the Deobandi Islam of the Taliban, or the Khomeini Islam of the Mullahs of Iran."
Which is why the Islamist missionaries of sharia hate Ismailis more than us infidels. So good for Perry being friends with Ismailis. To claim this makes him "pro-sharia" is a twisted joke.
But maybe Elliott wants the joke to be on us. Maybe he does know the difference between Ismailis and Wahhabis, and is counting on conservatives being ignorant enough not to know. His goal is to smear Perry, and is hoping conservative ignorance will achieve it.
Let's not let this lib smear artist get away with it.
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There is, however, one Republican governor being urged to run for president who is pro-Sharia: New Jersey's Chris Christie.
When criticized for appointing a Moslem Brotherhood lawyer, Sohail Mohammed, to the New Jersey Superior Court, he spouted the accusations of "Islamophobia" he learned from Grover Norquist, called his critics "crazies," and declared "this sharia law business is just crap."
Jihad Watch's Robert Spencer notes that "What's crap is the idea that Christie is fit to be president." Daniel Pipes states what is now obvious, that "Christie will never become president." Stick to New Jersey, Chris. Just like you promised.
Your agenda is tied to one specific set of words and your post to one particular straw man.
Explain. They were your words and there is no straw man.
This is awseome! Thanks!
What say you, Thurston?
Rather odd not to comment on your own thread, eh?
In case anything need further to be said, here's a video of Perry's speech to La Raza, (the group that wants "their" land back for Mexico. Violently, if need be) backtracking on his immigration stance.
I just took a look at SB 1070 to refresh my memory about why I don’t like SB 1070 - other than the obvious fact that it’s never gone into effect due to court rulings.
The requirement by the State for anyone to have “papers” with them at all times is a bill I fought 2 years ago. Because if anyone has to carry papers, everyone does.
The Federal law already requires legal aliens to carry their papers. We don’t need to add a layer of criminality. This Bill would effect everyone.
Like many people, I’ve been stopped for bogus reasons - no ticket at all or a vague “warning.” I’m convinced that the State patrolman or local policemen didn’t like my bumper stickers and one obviously thought I wouldn’t have insurance on my old truck. In East Texas way back in ‘04, I was convinced that it was a combination of the Bush stickers and that they just wanted to see the inside of a Mini Cooper.
That Texas Bill would have extended the right to detain and question the identity of people who weren’t in their cars by making it a crime to refuse to identify yourself when asked by a law enforcement officer, whether in your own yard, as you walk in the parking lot at Walmart, or when out walking the dog.
If there’s not enough justification to arrest me and I haven’t made a tacit agreement to a whole slew of laws by driving, there’s not enough justification to demand to see my papers.
The governor vetoed a popular Bill this year - one that would have made it a crime to text while driving. Logically, the only way to prove that the person was texting would be to access his or her phone and the records on the phone. Not Texan, at all.
Oh please. It's calling being vetted. We don't want another unvetted governor from Texas like George Bush.
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