Posted on 08/13/2011 10:01:23 AM PDT by chatter4
Great video, well worth hearing. Ron Paul's remarks about Iran, followed by commentaries of Levin, Rush and Beck all in one place.
Your being nice. COD was a horribly flawed candidate who had absolutely no chance to win in Delaware no matter what Karl Rove had to say. "I'm not a witch" LOL, come on, seriously. Still, using her as an example of the establishment abandoning conservatives doesn't work too well once you know the full story. In 2006 when COD lost the Republican primary for Senate (she came in 3rd, and famously claimed she had classified information that China was trying to take over the United States), she immediately dumped the Republican party and ran as a 3rd party write in candidate (and failed miserably btw). So she had a history of not sticking with the party, which is at least some of the reason much of the party refused to stick by her.
No, I don't agree with you. The Ron Paul forums don't necessarily represent Ron Paul voters across the board. In any event, they're a source of potential votes once they put down their bongs and start working.
Ron Paul does better than the average Libertarian because A) he runs on a major party label and B) he has focused heavily on the socially liberal aspects of his agenda which has strong appeal to college kids. He also refuses to write off the irresponsible kook vote. Ron Paul gets a ton of cult like support from the Alex Jones segment of the populace.
Conservatives -- in a conservative party -- are constantly called up to fall in line and support the "moderate." Yet, it is typically the case that when the RINO loses, he jumps ship and trashes the very people whose efforts made his candidacy possible in the first place. IN NY 23 Scozzafava threw in with the Leftist Party after accepting nearly a million dollars in campaign money from the GOP.
I agree it happens. While I don't count COD as a good example of this due to her history of having already done the same thing, I do agree some establishment RINO's lash out at us uppity primary voters who kick them out and end up supporting a Democrat sometimes. Still, Ron Paul just effectively did the same thing in 2008. He refused to endorse McCain. However flawed McCain was, he was still our candidate and Paul and his supporters refused to help in the effort to defeat Obama. You expect him to do something different this time? I don't. He will not likely endorse the eventual Republican nominee, and his supporters will mostly vote Libertarian or for Obama. Why in the heck is he in the Republican party, using the major party label to his advantage, when we all know he and his supporters will not back the party when it counts. As I've said, he is being dishonest - he should be running as the Libertarian we all know he really is.
Politics makes for strange bedfellows, and I'll repeat my statement in light of these remarks: you may regard him as a stalking horse for the Libertarian Party, but the truth is that Paul is a better Republican than just about any "Republican" east of the Hudson River, or west of the Sierras.
Not if he won't endorse the eventual Republican candidate. The presidential race is where it really counts, and you can't count on Ron Paul. He already made that clear in 2008. I expect no different in 2012. When Ron Paul encourages his network of supporters to get behind and work on behalf of the eventual Republican nominee, come talk to me then. I don't think it's going to happen.
Second point: Cato, Reason, and other outlets are important sources for ideas in the Republican Party, so singling Ron Paul out as the sole focus -- or even the main source -- of libertarian influences on the Republican Party is silly. There are conservatives who are not religious conservatives, and to the surprise of many on FRee Republic, they represent about 1/3 of conservatives in the country. Many are still socially conservative, but aren't religious, but many are sympathetic to libertarian ideas.
I saved this point for last because your right and I agree with you. There are actually a lot of conservatives with libertarianish leanings (the South Park Republican types), and many libertarian think tanks that most particularly focus on economic issues that advance the conservative agenda. Don't misread what I am saying here. I am not against EVERYTHING Ron Paul has to say. I think he makes many good points on some economic issues. If he were a conservative with libertarian leanings in some areas, with a base of support that actually helped build the Republican party, I'd be much more receptive to him.
The problem is, Ron Paul isn't one of those people. He is a straight up pure Libertarian using the Republican label for his own benefit, while delivering no real benefits to the Republican party.
I love the homemade bed sheet signs.
Exept Iran believes this is the way to bring back the 12 Imam.
This is an entirely different situation then dealing with people who have a will to survive....these people are fanatics.
Wonderful, but because Ron Paul is running in the Republican primaries as a Republican candidate it means he will NOT be on the ballot in the general election. It will be between Obama and the actual Republican nominee (which will not be Paul). So those college kids votes will NOT be voting for Ron Paul in the general election, and most will never, ever support a socially conservative Republican nominee. Ron Paul will likely not endorse the eventual GOP nominee (just as he didn't in 2008), so he doesn't even bring the ability to rally college kids to our eventual candidate to the table.
This seems very significant to me, how can you not see it?
Again, it would be significant if his college kid supporters were really going to vote for the eventual GOP nominee, but Paul will not lift a finger to make that happen.
For conservatives, it would be MUCH better if Ron Paul left the GOP and ran as Libertarian. Only then would he benefit the Republican party by denying Obama some segment of the pot head, peacenik voting block.
If you disagree with some of Dr. Paul's positions, say so; discuss the issues, all you want to, but leave the insulting rhetoric directed at one of the most respected foes of the Obanists, we have, to the career Leftists.
This is all the more important, as Dr. Paul is one of the few people in the Federal Government, who not only understand money, but is willing to openly challenge the Keynesian theorists, both in the Democratic Party & on the Federal Reserve. It is significant that Ron Paul is very frequently quoted now on Financial News Services.
I have not endorsed the Paul candidacy, this year--I did in 2008. Frankly, I have not even considered endorsing anyone this year. The emphasis, in my opinion, should be on exposing Obama, Pelosi, Reid & company, rather than dividing up & hurling attacks at other Republicans. This is surely the time for Reagan's 11th Commandment. We need to target those who are bankrupting America; those who refuse to accept the Constitutional limitations on their power. There will be time enough, next year, to pick a candidate.
William Flax
I'm not arguing with you. You haven't said anything of substance to argue against.
Ron Paul is pathetic and his followers can't even rise to half his measure.
Why should Ron Paul try to convert college kids to vote for candidates they (and he) don’t agree with? That’s not his job.
If college kids agree with Ron Paul enough to campaign for him and vote for him, why isn’t that significant? Why would it only be significant if they voted for another Republican candidate?
That statement makes no sense at all. It bears no relation to anything I have ever said in my life much less in post #33.
No arguments here, both situations I believe are equally as important. BTW, doesn't Iran fund Hezbollah? (I get all of those groups mixed up)
But Iran must be dealt with too, they'll start WWIII if we don't.
My friends in Afghanistan are having to fight with their hands tied behind their backs. I don't want to repeat that in another fight.
That has long been a big issue with me too, if we're going to go to war then dammit get in there, do what needs to be done, win it and get out. To hell with this PC ROE crap, makes my blood boil.
Then why is he in the Republican party if he can't at least support any of it's eventual nominee's views? It is a political party ya know. It isn't the Ron Paul party. He uses the Republican party label, structure and apparatus to push his views, and the party has a right to expect him to back it's eventual candidate even if has to do so without a ton of enthusiasm.
If college kids agree with Ron Paul enough to campaign for him and vote for him, why isn’t that significant? Why would it only be significant if they voted for another Republican candidate?
It's not significant because these college kids are not voting for Paul over any Democrat. They are voting for Paul in Republican primaries, and when he doesn't win the Republican nomination, they will go right back to not voting, voting for the Libertarian or voting for Obama. Paul does not leverage any of his supporters to benefit the eventual Republican candidate in any way, shape or form. He doesn't support the party at all, and deserves no support from the party.
Again, if Paul were honest he'd run as a Libertarian. He is popular enough to easily win the Libertarian nomination (lol Bob Barr was their last nominee so it wouldn't be hard). Instead of a tiny .4% of the population voting libertarian as they did in 2008, perhaps all those college kids WOULD actually vote for Paul in the general election and deny Obama some of the youth pothead, peacenik voting demographic.
Iran not only funds Hezbollah it spawned Hezbollah in the first place. I guess we can stop Iran’s nukes when they get to the border of Texas. By assuming they will use that route to get one here instead of a hundred other possibilities. /s
Exactly. As I wrote in post #36, commies at least have a self-preservation instinct — an instinct which kept us all alive during the Cold War. Islamic radicals don’t. As as result, relying on the doctrine of MAD in our relations with them is ...well, quite mad.
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