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To: DiogenesLamp
It is not every day or every year that an alleged native of Hawaii has served as the president and political leader of a major nation or any nation. Sun Yat-sen is about the only other putative President besides Barack Hussein Obama II (aka Barry Soetoro) to have been issued a Hawaiian birth certificate, fake or genuine. Consequently, it is a good example being the only such example of a President available. If we start disqualifying every available example, we can only put unreality on the pedestal in place of reality. That can hardly be considered rational or reasonable.

If you want a more recent example of a fraudulent birth certificate being issued to a non-qualified person, you need look no farther than Barack Hussein Obama II (aka Barry Soetoro, but of course that is going to be ignored as well. The question then must be considered just what example will not and cannot be disregarded as “a good example?”

108 posted on 08/03/2011 7:32:34 AM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: WhiskeyX
It is not every day or every year that an alleged native of Hawaii has served as the president and political leader of a major nation or any nation. Sun Yat-sen is about the only other putative President besides Barack Hussein Obama II (aka Barry Soetoro) to have been issued a Hawaiian birth certificate, fake or genuine. Consequently, it is a good example being the only such example of a President available. If we start disqualifying every available example, we can only put unreality on the pedestal in place of reality. That can hardly be considered rational or reasonable.

It is not necessary that an example of a fraudulently issued birth certificate be that of a President. Any ordinary person of foreign birth who possesses a Hawaiian issued birth certificate from the late 50s early 60s era would serve as a far better example of the salient point. (That Hawaii willingly issued birth certificates to people who were actually not born there.)

I have been in countless arguments where I assert that "Hawaii will even issue birth certificates to people not born there" but when asked for an example I give them none rather than argue something which happened at the turn of the century has any bearing on what happened in 1961. The only evidence i've been able to point to in these arguments is the Hawaiian Statutes which assert they will issue a birth certificate to the child of any Hawaiian resident, regardless of place of birth.

A Single example of just an ordinary birth certificate issued to someone known to be foreign born, would be invaluable in demonstrating the point. No one takes the Sun Yat-Sen thing seriously. Everyone chalks it up to loose territorial governance, not evidence of a usual and common occurrence based on Hawaiian governmental laws and policies.

If you want a more recent example of a fraudulent birth certificate being issued to a non-qualified person, you need look no farther than Barack Hussein Obama II (aka Barry Soetoro, but of course that is going to be ignored as well. The question then must be considered just what example will not and cannot be disregarded as “a good example?”

We can't use the accusation that Barack's birth certificate is illegitimate as proof that it is illegitimate. This is circular reasoning. Yeah, I think it's illegitimate, but we need proof that critics will accept before we can just say so. A Hawaiian birth certificate for someone born in Japan or China or anywhere but Hawaii would be invaluable in making the point that you can't trust the Hawaiian DOH to tell you the truth about whether someone is born there or not, and thereby it would call into question the legitimacy of Barry's document.

Had Sun Yat-Sen been given a Hawaiian birth certificate from the 1950s, we could use it to impeach the credibility of Hawaii's DOH. Having been issued around the turn of the century, no body is going to accept that as proof that the territory which became a state 50 years later is still doing such things. It's just too old to be taken seriously.

113 posted on 08/03/2011 8:50:13 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Abortion is Murder and Democrats are evil.)
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