[DiogenesLamp]

Like the Hawaiian Department of Health certified copy of the Hawaiian certificate of live birth for Sun Yat-sen, who was born in China?

Sun Yat-Sen is a bad example. I believe Hawaii is very irresponsible in the issuance of birth documents and I have no doubt they have issued them to foreign born people often in the past, but the Sun Yat-Sen example is SOOOOO OLD that it conveys no moral imperative to take it seriously. An example from the 50s or 60s would serve far better. Of course the problem with obtaining an example from this era is the possibility that it constitutes proof that Officials were complicit in an intentional fraud, and along with the possessor of such a document may yet be held to a reckoning with the law. It is in the interest of both the holder and the issuer of such a document to be quite about it.

Even so, the Sun Yat-Sen example is too far away from the period of interest to be taken seriously. Not possessing a good example doesn't mean we should use a bad example.

[WhiskeyX]

It is not every day or every year that an alleged native of Hawaii has served as the president and political leader of a major nation or any nation. Sun Yat-sen is about the only other putative President besides Barack Hussein Obama II (aka Barry Soetoro) to have been issued a Hawaiian birth certificate, fake or genuine. Consequently, it is a good example being the only such example of a President available. If we start disqualifying every available example, we can only put unreality on the pedestal in place of reality. That can hardly be considered rational or reasonable.

If you want a more recent example of a fraudulent birth certificate being issued to a non-qualified person, you need look no farther than Barack Hussein Obama II (aka Barry Soetoro, but of course that is going to be ignored as well. The question then must be considered just what example will not and cannot be disregarded as “a good example?”