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About That Claim That the Debt Ceiling Deal Doesn’t Include Tax Hikes
Conservatives 4 Palin ^ | 08/01/2011 | Doug Brady

Posted on 08/02/2011 6:35:08 AM PDT by Rational Thought

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Despite what many DC “conservatives” say, such as Jennifer Rubin, the Washington Post PDSer who recently called House members fighting for fiscal sanity extremists, Obama actually can raise taxes under the guise of allowing the Bush tax cuts to expire. This will result in a tax increase of $800 billion to as much as $3.5 trillion if all Bush tax cuts are allowed to expire. This kind of crap is what happens when deals are cobbled together in the dark of night. We have to pass it to see what’s in it, which the House just did. So much for the “post the bills online for three days” pledge.

Now it’s headed to the Senate where it’s expected to pass easily. Obama’s pretty excited. He gets to bury this issue until after 2012 and Tim Geithner is already champing at the bit to sell more debt. Oh, did I mention that there are hardly any actual spending cuts until 2014? And, finally, there’s no reason to believe this will even save the America’s AAA status. In fact, there’s plenty of evidence to the contary.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Politics
KEYWORDS: debtplan; economy
I'm reminded of President Bush's (41) famous line, "Read my lips. No new taxes".

If we do indeed see tax increases, there are a lot of "Conservative" politicians who will be joining the unemployed in 2012.

1 posted on 08/02/2011 6:35:12 AM PDT by Rational Thought
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To: Rational Thought

I cannot believe they sold us down the river AGAIN. The conservatives caved in big time. We finally had the chance to at least TRY to do the right thing fiscally, and all that was accomplished was to delay and insure the inevitable will be even worse than we thought. The debt and the management of the same is what will take our country down, and because those who supposedly represent us did not do the responsible thing we and all of our kids and grandkids will be the ones who will suffer the most.

I am ashamed for my country. What a joke.


2 posted on 08/02/2011 6:48:53 AM PDT by PWK arch
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To: Rational Thought
I was looking at the actual bill and found the following increases enumerated in it. I also found the debt increase for this year, alone, can be $1.8 trillion. The following table shows the ADDITIONAL spending authorized in the bill for each year. It add 5% more every year.

In $ Trillions 2012 2013 2014 2015 2016 2017 2018 2019 2020 2021
Total $1,936 $2,107 $2,319 $2,570 $2,668 $2,854 $2,899 $2,945 $2,992 $3,039
Social Security $623 $751 $924 $1,123 $1,166 $1,309 $1,309 $1,309 $1,309 $1,309
Health and Human Services $270 $299 $329 $361 $395 $414 $434 $454 $475 $496
Discretionary Spending $1,043 $1,057 $1,066 $1,086 $1,107 $1,131 $1,156 $1,182 $1,208 $1,234

3 posted on 08/02/2011 6:49:36 AM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: Rational Thought
This will result in a tax increase of $800 billion to as much as $3.5 trillion

We can survive without big governments money, but big government can't survive without ours.

Starve the beast. If they won't stop spending, we will. No spending, no tax revenue.
Don't buy - repair. Wear the clothes you already have in your closet. You don't need all kinds of junk. All it does is clutter your house anyway.
Prepare, because it's going to get worse no matter what. Buy tax free food. You're going to need it.

The tax slaves have been sacrificing and sweating for generations, just so the democrat freeloaders can have a relaxing, comfortable life. No more. It's time they got their own jobs. It's time they carried their own weight. It's time for the tax slaves to claim their right to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness.

4 posted on 08/02/2011 6:50:57 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: CodeToad

More evidence this isn’t a “Debt Plan”, it’s a Kamikaze Plan.

BTW, as per Erick Erickson, a clause in the Debt Plan states any Senator voting no on this plan is ineligible to serve on the Super Committee. That rules out any of the fiscal hawks serving.


5 posted on 08/02/2011 6:58:39 AM PDT by Rational Thought
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To: Rational Thought

Isn’t raising the debt ceiling a tax hike anyway? Who is supposed to pay for that?


6 posted on 08/02/2011 7:20:18 AM PDT by Libloather (The epitome of civility.)
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To: Rational Thought

The Pubbies got bamboozled yet again.


7 posted on 08/02/2011 7:22:10 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: CodeToad
Yep and you'll notice that SocSec and HHS both pretty much double over that 10 years.

This was a total sell out by Boehner, Cantor, and McConnell made out of their fear of doing nothing and being targeted by the MSM.

Are they so stupid that they don't know that the MSM will target them anyway?

The only good news out of this is that we elected a good base of true conservatives in the November elections. People like Jim Jordan, Raul Labrador, Paul Ryan, Rand Paul, and Mark Rubio form a good base from which to start our 2012 campaign for more tea-party minded candidates.

66 men and women, good and true.

Akin
Amash
Bachmann
Bishop (UT)
Brooks
Broun (GA)
Buerkle
Burton (IN)
Chaffetz
Cravaack
Davis (KY)
DesJarlais
Duncan (SC)
Flake
Fleischmann
Fleming
Forbes
Franks (AZ)
Garrett
Gingrey (GA)
Gohmert
Gowdy
Graves (GA)
Griffith (VA)
Hall
Harris
Hartzler
Huelskamp
Hultgren
Hunter
Johnson (IL)
Jones
Jordan
King (IA)
Kingston
Labrador
Lamborn
Landry
Latham
Mack
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Mulvaney
Neugebauer
Nunes
Paul
Pearce
Poe (TX)
Posey
Quayle
Rehberg
Roby
Rokita
Ross (FL)
Scalise
Schweikert
Scott (SC)
Scott, Austin
Southerland
Stearns
Stutzman
Tipton
Turner
Walsh (IL)
Westmoreland
Wilson (SC)
Yoder

BTW The Weekly Standard is reporting that none of these people will be eligible to sit on the "super committee."

Boehner is making sure that America goes down for the count. Un-"F-inf" believable!!!!
8 posted on 08/02/2011 7:23:28 AM PDT by Sudetenland (There can be no freedom without God--What man gives, man can take away.)
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To: Rational Thought
The Washington Pest alludes that lose of the Bush tax cuts is a tax hike under the Debt bill. This is False.

The Bush tax cut expiration is current law, the Debt plan did not address it or count it.

But you can count on the Dems to blame it on the Republicans even though they are for Tax Hikes on the Rich (read Small Businesses).

Oh and have you noticed, Obama is campaigning actively for Tax Hikes on the Rich (now 200K down from 250K). How Low Will He Go?

What a Curious Campaign!

9 posted on 08/02/2011 7:23:50 AM PDT by sr4402
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To: Sudetenland

Seems congress is denying equal repesentation to all people of all States.


10 posted on 08/02/2011 7:41:34 AM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: CodeToad
Well, the Weekly Standard article only says that in the Senate will that restriction apply. McConnell is attempting to give himself and his fellow RINO's cover by coercing the true Conservatives into voting for the bill or be excluded.

What an "F-ing" weasel McConnell is.
11 posted on 08/02/2011 7:45:57 AM PDT by Sudetenland (There can be no freedom without God--What man gives, man can take away.)
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To: sr4402
Problem is, the CBO analysis that credits this bill with cutting spending assumes the expiration of the "bush tax-cuts." This will force Congress to allow the tax rates to rise or find $800 Billion in additional spending "cuts."

Does anyone believe that will happen?

This was a complete and total sell-out of all conservatives by Boehner, Cantor, and McConnell. The American tax-payer/citizen has now officially been raped by the Republican establishment . . . again.
12 posted on 08/02/2011 7:50:38 AM PDT by Sudetenland (There can be no freedom without God--What man gives, man can take away.)
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To: CodeToad

But we still have oppressive taxation.

WWTFFD?

What would the founding fathers do?


13 posted on 08/02/2011 9:29:23 AM PDT by MikeSteelBe (Austrian Hitler was as the Halfrican Hitler does.)
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