Posted on 07/15/2011 12:19:50 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
It is unfortunate that you can’t make an intelligent, rational and logical distinction between politically supporting a president and acknowledging he is the actual president.
According to your birther logic, I must support Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi because I acknowledge the fact that they are actual members of congress and lead the Democratic Party.
Just because I acknowledge reality Bucky, that doesn’t make me a liberal. I kindly suggest you board the reality train with most sane conservatives.
“Haley is not a natural born citizen”
Thanks for saving me from having to post it.
Some longtimers turn into trolls, though...Pissant being a prime example.
My pleasure. You’ll probably draw that attention of the troll on the thread though. He’s not too bright, as you’ll see if you read through the posts.
You haven’t made an argument whatsover.
All you do is toss insults.
You have not addressed one of my points.
You think everybody should be a true believing birther based on nothing but pure fantasy and anybody who disagrees with your fantasies is a troll.
I find it fascinating that you can’t even dispute the fact that Barack Obama is the president of the US and everybody acknowledges this fact except you.
How is it even disputable? Every LEGAL and REPUBLICAN institution in the US acknowledges this.
Bucky, nobody is a troll for recognizing the reality and living in the real world.
Come down from the clouds and plant your feet on the ground and let us defeat Obama next year in a real election.
SMN, troll.
Oh yeh there are trolls on all sites where the Natural Born Citizen scenario is discussed. I think a lot of them are paid by the Dems.
I agree. They all claim to be Constitutional “experts.” But many are real anti-conservatives. The left hates the Constitution.
“Nikki Haley: Born January 20, 1972 - Bamberg, South Carolina, U.S.”
Were her parents citizens? Birth on US soil is 1/2 of the definition of NBC.
Haley doesn’t meet Article II requirements...she is NOT eligible to run for VP...
“Last time I checked, the US Supreme Court decides on what is constitutional or not, who is natural born or not, not you.”
Sorry pal, Buc is using the USSC definition of NBC......
From Minor v Happersett......
“.........it was never doubted that all children born in a country, of parents who were its citizens, became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives or natural-born citizens,......”
This early 1800’s case has been quoted in subsequent USSC “citizenship” cases throughtout the courts history, and these later courts never re-defined what an NBC was.....they did however expand the definition of “born citizenship” to include persons born in circumstances other than those required to be considered Natural Born. That is to say..... born citizenship OTHER than Natural Born Citizenship.
Radopolis is a troll, and he'll attack with the usual "birther" pejoratives.
In actuality, I think some of these trolls are actual Obama supporters.
“......I’d prefer that the president have two American parents,.........”
That’s funny, so did the Framers, which is why they wrote the Article II requirement for NBC......incidently the only place in American law where that circumstance of birth matters.
“Birther?????” The only birthers are ones like you that claim since Obama was “born here” he is eligible......”as often stated “ he was born here, he’s eligible.” Utter nonsence. Obama is living proof of the very reason NBC was inserted into Article II requirements. Look where ignoring it got us. Sorry to here you seem to think ignoring the Constitution is OK.....tell me what other provisions in the Constitution do you think it is OK to ignore???????
“In actuality, I think some of these trolls are actual Obama supporters.”
Yeah, I agree....most have seemed to vanish into the ether, probably since Organizing for America / Soros has quit paying them........
Who are natural-born citizens but those born in the Republic? […] [P]ersons born within the Republic, of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty, are natural born citizens. Gentleman can find no exception to this statement touching natural-born citizens except what is said in the Constitution relating to Indians.[10]
Sheila Jackson Lee stated in the House of Representatives in 2011:
I am particularly sensitive to the fact that only this president — only this one, only this one — has received the kind of attacks and disagreement and inability to work, only this one..."
You are just another birther living in a fantasy world with your pal Bucky.
When are you birthers going to deal with reality?
Put down the bong and the birther propaganda and wake up to the fact that the White House is occupied by Barack Obama and is recognized by every single legal institution in the United States, from the Congress to the Supreme Court, the military and federal bureaucracy, to the various states and the international community, who recognizes him as head of state.
You birthers can’t dispute these facts.
There is not one single institution in the whole country that agrees with the birthers.
Live with that fact.
By the way, there is no such thing as an American who has the in between, in limbo status as natural born or naturalized. You are either one or the other.
The Founding Fathers intent was to have a president who was a native to the US instead of a naturalized citizen.
Barack Obama, no matter how much you hate him, is not a naturalized citizen. He was born in a US state to an American mother. He is a US citizen under the auspices of the 14th Amendment. He was never naturalized.
You birthers can spend thousands of hours obsessing about this issue, but it ain’t going to get Obama booted in any other way than defeat in an election.
Stop taking the lazy man and coward’s way out with wishful thinking about him resigning over this and start getting organized to defeat him in a legitimate election.
Get it through your thick skull, Barack Obama will be on the ballot next year and nobody is going to disqualify him.
Start dealing with reality.
You can’t make an intelligent argument, so just you just hurl the insults over and over again.
That is a liberal tactic, not a conservative MO.
Grow up.
You true believing birtherism hurts the conservatism and does absolutely nothing to defeat liberal or Democrats.
You just embarrass yourselves with conspiracy theory kookery.
Tell me the upside or the benefit of your birtherism?
Can you answer that question honestly?
Do you have the mental fortitude to do that or you just going to call me a troll again?
SMN.
Isn’t Nikki Haley a little young to retire in 2012?
“By the way, there is no such thing as an American who has the in between, in limbo status as natural born or naturalized. You are either one or the other.”
Right there is the crux of your problem......
There are two types of citizens.....Born Citizens, and Naturalized Citizens..... NOT Natural Born Citizen as you wrote........ NBCs are all Born Citizens, but not all Born Citizens are Natural Born Citizens......You need to learn both the difference and distinction.......US law is full of cases recognizing Born Citizenship other than Natural Born Citizenship. Oh that’s right, both I and Buccaneer81 did quote the relevant US law on the matter to you.....something you choose to ignore in order to advance your narrow agenda......
“Stop taking the lazy man and coward’s way out with wishful thinking about him resigning over this.....”
A strawman arguement for something I have never said... not once in any of my posts to any eligibility thread have I ever made that kind of statement. The use of Strawman Arguements reinforce the perceoption of a loser’s tactic for sure! Certaintly valid in your case...... As one who has spilled his blood on the battlefield for his country, I resent your use of the term ‘coward.” You owe me a large appology.
“There is not one single institution in the whole country that agrees with the birthers.”
Your prejorative use of “birther” in every sentence doesn’t make anything you write correct. In fact it signals that what follows is pure bunkum.........As for not one single institution ......there isn’t??????? The wheels of Justice grind slowly, but they do grind.......Patience......The grist wheel has just began turning.....
“Get it through your thick skull, Barack Obama will be on the ballot next year and nobody is going to disqualify him.”
I doubt anyone will have to disqualify him other than the electorate. Obama is headed for a landslide electoral defeat....It’ll be great to have that loser at the head of the Dem ticket......NBC isssue aside, Obama is the very essence of what the Framers sought to avoid in writting the Article II elegibility requirment of Natural Born Citizen. His single handed destruction of the American Experiment is proof of their wisdom.......
Post Obama, a court case will reach the USSC and the Court will reinforce the Framer’s Original Intent of the phrase “Natural Born Citizen.” After all, there are over 200 years of Court cases defining NBC as “.....Born in Country to two Citizen Parents.” your protestations to the contrary nothwithstanding.
Reality?????? You have only a passing aquaintance with it...... without your little attempts at ridicule by constant use of “birther,” “Put down the Bong,” “Birther propaganda,”Bucky,” “Thick head,” etc, etc, ad nausium, you have nothing worthwhile to say......I know, I know, Alinsky is your friend.......
Ta-Ta Sonny, I hear your Mommy calling you. Obama wants to give ya a piece of candy. You’ve been a good little boy, and you’re so cute when you suck on that sour lemon taffy....,,
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