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You need a plan 'B' because:

“There is no greater disaster than to underestimate danger.

Underestimation can be fatal.”

1 posted on 07/14/2011 9:06:58 PM PDT by Kartographer
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PING!


2 posted on 07/14/2011 9:08:06 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: blackd77

ping


4 posted on 07/14/2011 9:13:36 PM PDT by goodnesswins
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To: Kartographer
My plan for urban survival after grid-down social collapse is don't be there.


5 posted on 07/14/2011 9:16:04 PM PDT by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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“Maybe you were born lucky and can make it out safely before the balloon bursts, then what?”

You put on you tin foil hat.


6 posted on 07/14/2011 9:17:04 PM PDT by trumandogz
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After the cities are in ruins, criminal gangs will start to migrate to the country where they will continue their business of stealing and terrorizing in more fruitful territory.

Riiiiiight. Somehow I think "their business" will be quickly and violently curtailed......at least around my area.

7 posted on 07/14/2011 9:17:50 PM PDT by Roccus (Obama & Holder LLP, Procurers of fine arms to the most discerning drug lords (202) 456-1414)
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The Punks can try,But Affirmative Action will NOT protect them.


10 posted on 07/14/2011 9:22:42 PM PDT by Cheetahcat ( November 4 2008 ,A date that will live in Infamy.)
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Reminds me of the original BEDAZZLED, when Stanley rejoins the devil atop a telephone pole, where he’s messing with the connections. Stanley asks for advice, as always, and the devil relates a story from the Chinese philosopher Lao Tse ( sic ) using his electrical clips as props: “Suppose you were hanging from a cliff by a rope, and at the top of the cliff was a hungry tiger ( snap snap ) and at the bottom of the cliff was another hungry tiger ( snap snap snap snap ... ) what would you do?”

Stanley says, “That’s the stupidest thing I ever heard,” and the devil replies, “Oh, you’ve got nothing to learn from Lao Tse and his hungry tigers!”


14 posted on 07/14/2011 9:33:02 PM PDT by dr_lew
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Thanks for posting. Our side will be better prepared. The other side will need clean underwear.


16 posted on 07/14/2011 9:37:56 PM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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If you are an urban dweller, your Plan B ought to be the same as Plan A—sit tight. Because the people in Mayberry are all armed and have been shooting varmints since they were thirteen. Your Saturday night special is no match for well-zeroed hunting rifles with telescopic sights and the usual shotguns wielded by people who have actually used them.


17 posted on 07/14/2011 9:39:43 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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A friend called a couple days ago saying they were talking to a contractor who was telling them all about prepping and stocking up. They were so amazed that he’d said the same things I had told them two years ago. Of course, as far as they’ve gotten is knowing two preppers.


19 posted on 07/14/2011 9:49:17 PM PDT by bgill
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Most people are in one or another layer of denial. Denial cause inaction. History is full of examples of lack of preparation for something bad happening. Look at the photos of refugees fleeing German invasion, Think about all the people who refused to leave New Orleans before Katrina hit.

These people will suffer the consequences of their inaction. Preppers are a tiny minority of the population.

For some great information and discussion of this topic, go visit survivalblog.com

22 posted on 07/14/2011 9:59:17 PM PDT by oneolcop (Lead, Follow or Get the Hell Out of the Way!)
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The best filters filter out Bacteria, Organic Chemicals and Protozoa (Giardia) Viruses.

Giardia is a type of Protozoa. There are other protozoans, some of which are worse. They are not viruses.

No filters I am aware of will "filter out" all viruses, which are much too small to be affected by filters, though some may be able to deal with some types.

Many filters have chemical components that will inactivate or "kill" many if not always all viruses.

23 posted on 07/14/2011 10:00:06 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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Without a doubt the most abundant source of meat in any urban environment is the common rat.

Not really. By far the most abundant source of meat in an urban environment is humans.

24 posted on 07/14/2011 10:01:46 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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I can’t imagine trying to tough out even a moderate collapse in the city. A few reasons:

1. Water

2. Water

3. Water

4. Sewage

5. Electricity

6. Masses of feral humanity without the above.


32 posted on 07/14/2011 10:44:52 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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I pray Lord that none of us will need it, but being prepared is not a bad thing.

I've been through hell and would like to share some wisdom tested in real life situations. Please reflect on it and think how it applies to you.

1. When I told a close friend of mind that we should stock up on military-type rations and offered him to take a half at symbolic cost, he told me without blinking "you stock up, I'll know where I will find food". I was shocked.

The morale: make sure to get rid of fair-weather friends before you start preparations.

2. Most humans are not mentally prepared to kill another human. If you have firearms, condition yourself to shoot to kill with the first shot. Plan ahead, and practice with pop up targets.

3. Make a blueprint of your home as if you are house invader. Plan to install booby traps. Leave one weapon in EVERY room, you'll have no time to go to another room for your rifle. Keep spare pants close to weapon - never fire weapon without your pants on.

4. Sleep is a weapon. The more you sleep, the more alert you will be when awake. The more you sleep, the less calories you will need. But you need trusted buddy to be on watch while you sleep.

5. Stock up not only on foods, but luxuries as well. Cigars, luxury chocolates, luxury perfume. Use it to treat family members to keep their and spirit high. The name of the game is not to survive, but to survive as YOURSELF. If you become an animal in the process, it is not worthwhile.

6. Shave every morining. Even if eating Spam, dress up like for the nigh on the town. It will keep your spirit high and your mind alert.

7. Depression could kill you. Arm yourself with antidepressants if you are at risk.

8. Fill an Ipod with the music that uplift your spirit. It will keep you amused while you lube your weapons.

9. I've heard from people who have lost all their possession that they miss their family photos the most. Don't be like them - backup all your family photos and keep digital copies at various locations, online, with your friends, everywhere. If you have to leave your home, your most prized possession will be safe.

10. Buy manually operated reverse osmosis filter. And again, buy manually operated reverse osmosis filter.

11. If streets become dangerous, make habit of emptying bowels and bladder before getting out. In case you are injured it will help.

12. Prepare nondescript street smarts uniform for all your family members. Hoodie, baggy pants, doc martins. Predators will look for affluent people. Escape their attention. I hope that Freepers with actual survival training and/or no-nonsense experience will continue the list. Godspeed to us all !

50 posted on 07/14/2011 11:37:30 PM PDT by DTA (U.S. Centcom vs. U.S. AFRICOM)
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SO much fantasy

SO few facts..

There is a guy named Ferfal that has a blog covering the fall of Argentina.

You all should read it. You just might learn something.

http://ferfal.blogspot.com/

Read it and weap.

55 posted on 07/15/2011 12:02:10 AM PDT by ASOC (What are you doing now that Mexico has become OUR Chechnya?)
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"Wild Game in Urban Survival Planning

As the human population continues to decline, look for a huge increase in the number of wild and semi-wild animals...Look for huge numbers of semi-domestic dogs and cats to populate urban areas after a collapse. If you can get past the thought and your own limitations these can be good sources of meat.
"

LOL, suburban livestock!


56 posted on 07/15/2011 1:03:36 AM PDT by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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There will probably be more rats than dogs and cats. Think about it, eh?


57 posted on 07/15/2011 1:19:59 AM PDT by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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I have some plans on an urban punkin chucker, except the punkins will have something else, like willie pete.

having access to large air tanks, welding equipment and of course being a fabricator I can easily make a punkin chucker on a turret, set up on high ground, set up a kill zone with test runs ar certain pressures for distances.

And that is just one project, next is the redneck version of a bouncing betty.


61 posted on 07/15/2011 4:26:45 AM PDT by Eye of Unk
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later


73 posted on 07/15/2011 5:33:54 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (If you voted for Obama to prove you are not racist, vote against him to prove you are not an idiot.)
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