[jmaroneps37]

We can not, we must not lose our freedoms to Obama's socialism.

[don-o]

Ah. Father Abraham on July 4. Wonder where THIS thread will go?

[Repeal The 17th]

FAL

[iowamark]

The Battle of Gettysburg was July 1-3. Lee began heading back to Virginia on July 4, 1863, the 87th anniversary of the Declaration. This was the same day that Vicksburg surrendered to Ulysses S. Grant, leaving the Mississippi river entirely under US control.

[DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis]

The ironic thing is that it was the South that was fighting for government of the people, by the people, and for the people. The North was fighting against a people’s right to self-determination in this instance.

[pyx]

IMO, "What if", absolutely must be asked.

If Special Order 191 had not been found by Union Corporal Barton W. Mitchell of the 27th Indiana Volunteers around 10 in the morning of September 13, 1862, then the entire end of Civil War may well have had a completely different outcome.

None-the-less, Special Order 191 was found by the Union Army.

An interesting alternative history that ponders the "What If" was written by Harry Turtledove called "How Few Remain". I found it an interesting and entertaining read. I think there may be a pdf ebook version online somewhere.

[rockrr]

God bless this union - the United States of America!

[wardaddy]

Ironic coming from he who first contributed to the emergence of the Federal Leviathan more than anyone

No disrespect Abe, you’ve got some fine points I can identify with but I would prefer to take my inspiration from the founders to beat back that which pretty much made it’s bones first under your guidance