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It hertz when you do that – power grid to stop regulating 60 Hz frequency
Watts Up With That? ^ | June 25,2011 | Anthony Watts

Posted on 06/26/2011 11:38:35 AM PDT by brityank

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To: txhurl
Power-grid experiment could confuse electric clocks

No doubt that the frequency variance proposed could affect some electric clocks (14 seconds a day for the one in Groundhog Day).

I am somewhat shocked to see Freepers using MSNBC as a source. Do you miss Keith Olbermann?

121 posted on 06/26/2011 4:33:26 PM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: dynoman
The graphs are correct - it isn't unusual to briefly drop below 59.95 HZ, and occasionally, we hit above 60.05 HZ as well. The two biggest drivers of frequency excursions outside of the 0.05 HZ bandwidth are loss of large generating units on the interconnection and major changes in transaction schedules between different utilities.

I remember a few years ago when a utility had 2 1200+ megawatt generators trip off line at the same time. Frequency dipped to 59.87 HZ. One of my industrial customers actually experienced an automatic transfer to his backup generator due to operation of an underfrequency relay.

122 posted on 06/26/2011 4:45:53 PM PDT by meyer (We will not sit down and shut up.)
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To: Doe Eyes

Who?

MSNBC ^ | June 24, 2011 | Seth Borenstein
WASHINGTON —


123 posted on 06/26/2011 4:46:39 PM PDT by txhurl (Did you want to talk or fish?)
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To: cynwoody
Does it use WWVB? Or does it have one of those premium, temperature-compensated crystal time bases?

Neither. I think it was just the luck of the draw.

A colleague of mine has a swiss-made electronic watch calibrator. It can sense the 32 KHz pulses and measure them.

Quartz watches used to have trimmer capacitors, but modern watch chips apparently have internal compensations, either digital or analog. Access to those adjustments must be by some digital interface, but I don't know the details.

124 posted on 06/26/2011 4:53:59 PM PDT by Erasmus (I love "The Raven," but then what do I know? I'm just a poetaster.)
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To: dynoman
Looks to me like they are proposing tighter not looser frequency control and reading the other docs mainly between interconnections.

They are, though that's a somewhat different issue from the experimental elimination of time error correction. And they should - I watch the frequency as part of my job, and I would agree that tightening the frequency response requirements might be a good idea.

125 posted on 06/26/2011 4:54:27 PM PDT by meyer (We will not sit down and shut up.)
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To: cynwoody; Ole Okie
I have an old electric that used to belong to my grandmother. It had a synchronous motor driving a gear train. However, it was a first generation synchronous motor: It had a gnarled knob on the back you needed to give a twist to to get it going. It kept great time (unless you twisted the knob the wrong way, in which case it kept great time in reverse).

That's what I was tweaking Ole Okie about in re his AR turntable. The first ones were powered by a small synchronous motor--essentially a clock motor. The main motor could start up with equal probability in either direction, depending on the phase of the moon, or quantum fluctuations ≤}B^). So they added a second, smaller motor, which always started up the right way, and belted it over to the main motor pulley.

Later, AR found a synchronous motor that would always start the right direction, so the second motor wasn't needed.

My original AR had both motors, but I sent it in to AR and they updated it to the single motor type.

126 posted on 06/26/2011 5:04:44 PM PDT by Erasmus (I love "The Raven," but then what do I know? I'm just a poetaster.)
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To: Doe Eyes

I was more asking the question. I am more concerned with the effect of this change on big things than on household appliances.


127 posted on 06/26/2011 5:30:13 PM PDT by loungitude ( The truth hurts.)
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To: Doe Eyes

Please see post 122.


128 posted on 06/26/2011 5:43:06 PM PDT by loungitude ( The truth hurts.)
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To: Erasmus

But are they now talking about eliminating these phasing and voltage safeguards.

Never did understand 3-phase power... or why we have it.


129 posted on 06/26/2011 6:31:06 PM PDT by MindBender26 (Forget AMEX. Remember your Glock 27: Never Leave Home Without It!)
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To: JimC214

Apparently not too much per this:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2740219/posts?page=70#70

I’ve got three Strats and love ‘em but those pickups are noisy no doubt. I’ve got a Gibson SG waiting at the UPS counter this week though ;)


130 posted on 06/26/2011 6:35:37 PM PDT by relictele (Pax Quaeritur Bello)
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To: Melas

We have medical equipment connected to uninterpretable power supplies that will switch off normal power and run on battery if it senses the frequency is out of tolerance.

This could cause serious issues.


131 posted on 06/26/2011 6:39:35 PM PDT by ThE_RiPpEr.
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To: Crim

Then we can all go to microprocessor controlled appliances so they can turn our devices on and off remotely.


132 posted on 06/26/2011 6:48:17 PM PDT by bmwcyle
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To: brityank

Maybe it’s the new ‘cash for clunkers’ except the government won’t give us money to destroy our ‘clunkers’... Instead the grid will destroy our central AC units, stoves, fridges etc... My central AC was in the $10,000 range - wonder if my home owner’s insurance will cover it?


133 posted on 06/26/2011 6:55:10 PM PDT by GOPJ (1 in 19 collect SS disability- http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2650736/posts?page=131#131)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Drifts in frequency across what is supposed to be a unified grid will also randomly pop circuit breakers and make emergency power routing (say in the event of storm damage) more difficult or impossible.

Those of us who live in Florida - in areas that are lightning capitals of the world - are thrilled. /s

134 posted on 06/26/2011 6:58:30 PM PDT by GOPJ (1 in 19 collect SS disability- http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2650736/posts?page=131#131)
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To: brityank

flr


135 posted on 06/26/2011 7:00:56 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Oh, well, any excuse to buy a new gun is good enough for me.)
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To: cc2k; snidely whiplash III

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136 posted on 06/27/2011 5:06:04 AM PDT by fanfan (Why did they bury Barry's past?)
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To: Erasmus

>> Some people on here are predicting doom, and inventing conspiracies <<

Of course. That’s ALWAYS more fun than studying the facts!


137 posted on 06/27/2011 7:40:09 AM PDT by Hawthorn
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To: Doe Eyes

>> I am somewhat shocked to see Freepers using MSNBC as a source <<

When you enjoy dreaming up dumb conspiracy theories, just about any source is good!


138 posted on 06/27/2011 7:45:31 AM PDT by Hawthorn
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To: Erasmus

Uno.


139 posted on 06/27/2011 9:33:16 AM PDT by Ole Okie
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To: relictele
I had a 1988 Tanqueray Tonic Green Stratocaster a few years ago. The middle pick up was reverse wound so when it as on in combo with any other pick up, acted like a humbucker. so there was no hum.
140 posted on 06/27/2011 9:44:36 AM PDT by JimC214
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