Posted on 06/24/2011 10:10:05 PM PDT by Kevmo
"My hometown is Volos not welcomed me as I expected, unlike the blonde who greeted us as they should, "he said with meaning. "
Who says scientists can't score hot babes?
Cheers!
Cheers!
The agreement which formally is made with the company EFA srl with Rossi’s wife Maddalena Pascucci as principal owner, will last for two years.
Cheers!
Have they built one that does anything yet, like generate a significant amount of electricity ?
Don’t send them any money yet.
They’ve had one running for 2 years, supplying electricity for a small factory. They had 97 in prototype stage a while back. The aim is for a 1MW plant in October.
I think you'll find that it was actually supplying heat, not electricity. The rest of the comment is correct.
The Defkalion units will be capable of generating electricity.
And not a word on Google News mentioning Defkalion from any source other than "Next Big Future" or "Pure Energy Systems News"
Anyone who has spent any time engineering systems for the generation of electricity will recognize one immediate fallacy. The system supposedly generates “heat” which can then drive a third party electrical generation system such as a steam turbine. Ha ha. I will not even delve into the physics of the heat generation system, of which I am highly skeptical.
Anyone who simplistically says they will just hook up a steam turbine to generate electricity has no idea of all of the equipment required to make that happen. First of all, high temperatures are required to generate steam which is useful to run steam turbines. But, let’s assume that they can generate those high temperatures with their little black box.
The steam side would have to include: Water treating and storage. Deaerator. Boiler water chemical injection systems. High pressure boiler feedwater pumps. Boiler and superheater. Blowdown piping and drums. Expensive high pressure and high temperature piping. Relief valves and control systems. Condensing turbine. Condenser. (If a water cooled condenser, then a cooling water circulation system is required.) Condensate collection and polishing. Heat recovery exchangers.
On the electrical side, you would need a generator connected to the steam turbine, and electrical gear to regulate the system to provide the electricity at the required frequency.
A 1 MW system would not be economical. It’s too small. The operator and maintenance cost alone for such a low power (1 MW) system would make the electricity very expensive. The footprint of all of this equipment would be acres, not square feet. There’s a reason that power plants are built large.
Yeah, I’ll believe it when it happens.
Assuming they don’t get busted for fraud beforehand.
I think they said they were leasing units that produce “heat”, not electricity. Could a unit like this, that costs almost nothing to operate, be used as a home heating unit, like a boiler for a hydronic system? Also heating water for domestic use? Swimming pool heaters? Ice melt applications? Businesses consuming large quantities of hot water, restaurants, fish and other food processors, laundries, etc.?
Dealing with the Chicoms is the single most stupid move this group could make. Don’t they understand that China doesn’t invent anything, THEY ALWAYS STEAL IT!
Simple answer.....yes. Also refrigeration and air-conditioning via. adsorption cycles.
Not necessarily turbines:
Powder..patch.. ball FIRE!
Not necessarily turbines again...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stirling_cycle
I’ll see your “Stirling Cycle” and raise:
http://quasiturbine.promci.qc.ca/QTStirling.html
http://quasiturbine.promci.qc.ca/QTVapeur.html
http://quasiturbine.promci.qc.ca/QTLocoVapeurValentineH.htm
http://quasiturbine.promci.qc.ca/
That...doesn’t say much.
Enlighten us.
I watched intel beat their head against the wall for several years to get a working Pentium. Every path eliminated a failure.
Rossi is on to something. I am not sure just yet what it is or if it is a viable technology or just or just a laboratory curiosity.
Google MYT engine. He has not had much luck making an internal combustion engine but he has been running a unit that would run on steam for years.
It’s not just the turbine that’s a challenge. It’s having a whole steam supply system. If you don’t treat the water and recycle the condensate, you have much higher water usage and maintenance on the boiler. If you do treat the water and recycle the condensate, you have a lot of other equipment required. It’s just not as simple as some try to make it.
For one small plant, sure, just make the water usage once-through, that is, vent the exhaust steam to atmosphere and minimize the water treating and storage equipment required. But when you’re talking about installing a whole bunch of these, then you need to start thinking about steam condensation and reuse, and the attendant storage and treating. Most places in the world are having fresh water supply problems, and wastage of water will just not be permitted if there are lots of them being installed.
I should mention, there is a message forum now on the Defkalion website where there is a lot of discussion already occurring.
***You’re right. And there are going to be private demonstrations in July. The buzz is likely to start at that time.
http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=43
barbierir Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2011 6:11 pm
Joined: Fri Jun 24, 2011 12:09 pm
Posts: 5 Ecat wrote:
barbierir wrote:
chappin4tay wrote:
It is more interesting the public demo of july.
I guess July demo is not public, but for Greek authorities. “The device will be presented in a formal test before the Greek authorities in the first 10 days of July”
Ops you’re right, the data will be published only after the greek authorities concede the permits. I hope it won’t take until october.
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