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You are discouraging people from taking action that will help them be more independent in good times or bad. If someone grows a garden, and cans the excess that they cannot eat fresh, there is no downside. The same can be said for someone who has the means to defend themselves. Many on this board feel a storm is coming, so they make prudent preparations that will give them peace of mind in a best case and just might save their lives if times get real bad. You tell people they should not even try to grow some of their own food. A defeatist attitude is that if a weenie. Lead, follow or get out of the way.

>>You are discouraging people from taking action that will help them be more independent in good times or bad. If someone grows a garden, and cans the excess that they cannot eat fresh, there is no downside. <<

Please reread my posts. I think a garden is a great idea (and having other survival skills such as the ability to hunt) and have said so over and over and over — in dang near every post.

I am saying it just it isn’t always practical — and that it is one of many ideas the OP suggests that are for an improbably scenario.

If Tomorrow brings a Wally world on every corner handing out free food. Good Good no one will ever go hungry again.

But if Tomorrow bring Strife, Internal wars and Rebellions then those of us prepared will survive longer than those that did not prepare. How long we survive will be determined by Prayer, Preparations, Survival skill and downright luck.

I personally think their will be at least two stages of the disaster and your requirements will be vastly difference.

Stage1. Survival of fittest. Most of your supplies hidden You may have to leave and come back. You have to sleep sometime therefore you cannot win a protracted battle.

Stage2. Rebuild(May not happen). Now you can uncover some of your supplies and start thinking about homesteading.

If your relying on a garden in stage 1 your stuck. You must fight for if you leave you will Starve.

Now Today is the time to prepare. Stock up on Supplies and Knowledge. If you make a mistake now in learning something you want starve. We may not have that luxury in the future.