Posted on 06/09/2011 1:51:48 PM PDT by rxsid
They’re talking behind your back again...
Same place he got that scar on the side of his head; From a Bank Robbery in New York. Had to go to Pakistan to lie low for awhile. :)
Fred has shown no ability to update his theories when faced high quality evidence, with known provenance, which flatly contradicts many of his preposterous assertions. He doesn't listen to me, so I never write to him
I never said you lied. What I said was that you failed to repudiate obviously questionable scenarios presented here on Free Republic and, for that, I give you zero credibility.
I’m done with you. You’re a jerk!
Throwing poo like a monkey is what I call it. Wanting to distract and disrupt in a nasty way is what I call it.
Less than zero, it’s into negative territory.
He’s a hard core, passive-aggressive liberal. It’s what they do.
Went from Seattle to the People’s Republic of Cambridge. Can’t speak highly enough about the place.
Claims he’s a conservative, but if he was he’d be the only one over there and he’d have no one to talk to on the loony side of the Charles River.
No conservative would live in Cambridge, Massachusetts, even if the rent was free.
I am very familiar with the “I’m the smartest person in the room and you yokels had better listen to me because I Know All and you know nothing, because you’re you, and I’m the Great Me”.
Liberals are very often like that, most of the ones I’ve met, and I’ve known some quite well. In the past, thankfully.
How mature! You wan't win your argument, so you have to resort to name calling. I'm sure that fits right into Team Obama's plans.
Quite the contrary to your assertion about my "lies", everything I have said today is factually true, with the one exception that, while Rondeau was the author of the story, she was not the researcher. This does not detract from my statement that the Post and Email is a reputable source which seeks high quality authors and tries to fact check all its articles, as a good publication should. I have tried my best to avoid personalizations, though this will undoubtedly occur when discussing such a heated topic as this.
You are obviously incapable of applying reason to any discussion you have had today. I have read The Obama File, The Post and Email, and probably a dozen other web sites. I am solely interested in determining the facts. It really doesn't matter to me whether there ever was an Obama marriage -- what does count is that there are numerous sources with a wide range of credibility which support this hypothesis.
If,as you say, you only want to rely on source documents, you are excluding a wide variety of evidence which would be potentially admissible in a court of law. I think that admissibility is a relatively good standard for the purposes of Free Republic. We know, for certain, that many source documents have been forged or have been removed or hidden from the public record, so relying only on sources with questionable provenances won't get you far.
As I mentioned earlier, I am proposing a scientific standard: Take all evidence, use Baye's theoretic techniques to help determine the probative value of each hypothesis, and use Occam's razor to select the most economical explanation, or set of explanations if we aren't able to narrow it down to a single explanation. There is nothing that I am saying that differs from my desire to find the truth.
Alternate approaches, of which there are a few on FR, do not have a sound basis and should be vehemently disowned by the community. It is the failure to criticize poppycock theories which is what makes Team Obama happy What they are totally afraid of are people who logically sort through the evidence and make reasoned guesses as to the truth, since such a path could easily lead one to attribute a positive probability to a Kenyan birth, for example.
The recurring theme many “birthers” keep missing: why would a faked BC amount to legal proof of ineligibility per paternal British citizenship?
Considering how often nuances of truth are derided as “forgery!” due to rank ignorance, I’m not surprised.
All Birth Certificate theories are irrelevant any way; he is not a natural Born citizen regardless of his place of birth. That is based on all four of the Court cases that addressed the definition of Natural Born.
Of course the clowns will perpetually disagree, and dissemble, and try to deceive.
According to the Post and Email article, the researcher (FR’s own Ladysforest?) did get access to the marriage indexes and saw two entries for Stanley Ann, one for her marriage to Obama and the other for her marriage to Soetoro. Maybe you should ask her for the photos which she claimed she took?
You could well be right, but I am getting more doubtful as each day passes that there will ever be such a challenge. First of all, every court seems very successful in claiming a lack of standing, which makes one wonder what it would take to get standing. Also, Freeper X and others have pointed out that an argument can be made that the 14th Amendment changed everything. I also think that there are some tuggings of the heart, such as why shouldn't the child of a soldier stationed overseas in the service of his country not be a Natural Born Citizen?
The Supreme Court has had a lot of chances to take this up, and we're now in the third year of his presidency, so I definitely see a lot of reluctance on their part. Do we even know for sure whether Spiro Agnew was an NBC?
However, if Obama is discovered to have been born in Kenya, that is a slam dunk. Orly Taitz has been given the power of subpoena against the Hawaii DOH and it's departmental head. I have heard that Hawaii is fighting it though the document indicates that the deposition is supposed to take place ~ June 25th. We can only hope that she gets the deposition and that she is able to prove Obama was born in Kenya. It is well known that none of the hospitals in Hawaii have any record of his birth.
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