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Sarah Palin: her actual abortion record and rhetoric is shocking to the conscience.
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Posted on 06/05/2011 10:07:28 AM PDT by jobim

As a Candidate whom Many Pro-lifers Would Like to Support: her actual abortion record and rhetoric is shocking to the conscience in that Sarah Palin:

- happily appointed in 2009 a Planned Parenthood board member to the Alaska Supreme Court

- indicates that chemical abortifacients that kill the youngest children should be legal

- distinguishes between her "personal" and public pro-life views (personally pro-life means officially pro-choice)
- rather than fighting for protection, Sarah indicates support even for public funding to kill some unborn children - whitewashes other candidates misleading millions to believe that pro-choice politicians are pro-life

- allows her name to be used in ads promoting even tax-funded embryonic stem cell "research"

- harms personhood by holding that "equal protection" should not apply to unborn children

- has never announced support for any state's personhood amendment nor the Federal Human Personhood Amendment

- opposes personhood by claiming that the majority can decide to legalize the killing of children.

In her vice-presidential acceptance speech Sarah said, "there is a time for politics and a time for leadership."1 During the above, which time was it for her? Sources below document Sarah Palin's tragic record and political rhetoric.

Summary:
Sarah Palin claims to be personally pro-life but her words and actions prove that she is officially pro-choice and stands against the God-given right to life of the unborn. Even if Roe v. Wade were reversed, Palin says she would still leave the decision to kill children to others.

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To: GonzoII
Ask the kids whose mothers were influenced by prolife laws not to abort them if they agree.

Ask the millions who have been killed under "Republican" government and "Republican" appointed judges if they agree. Oh, that's right. You can't ask them, can you...

161 posted on 06/05/2011 1:29:13 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Some of us still 'hold these truths to be self-evident'..Enough to save the country? Time will tell.)
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To: EternalVigilance
"Ask the millions who have been killed under "Republican" government and "Republican" appointed judges if they agree."

Diversion.

You wrote: You’ll never protect any until you protect all, but prolife laws do save lives.

162 posted on 06/05/2011 1:38:06 PM PDT by GonzoII (Quia tu es, Deus, fortitudo mea...Quare tristis es anima mea?)
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To: EternalVigilance
"Sure."

Then why can't you accept an act within their competence that would save lives?

163 posted on 06/05/2011 1:40:23 PM PDT by GonzoII (Quia tu es, Deus, fortitudo mea...Quare tristis es anima mea?)
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To: GonzoII
Look, every one of those laws ends with "and then you can kill the baby." So, none are protected as they should be.

I want every innocent person protected by the full force of the law and government, as the explicit requirements of our Constitution dictate.

If you lived in the 1920s and 30s would you have offered excuses for "laws" that regulated how prisoners could be killed in concentration camps, but that codified permission for those killings to take place?

164 posted on 06/05/2011 1:44:06 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Some of us still 'hold these truths to be self-evident'..Enough to save the country? Time will tell.)
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To: GonzoII

I can. It’s just not necessary. Just because one individual, or group of individuals, made an unconstitutional decision doesn’t mean anyone else has leave to violate their own oaths. Killing innocent persons is still illegal in this country, and every state is still required to provide equal protection of the laws for every person within their jurisdiction.


165 posted on 06/05/2011 1:46:47 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Some of us still 'hold these truths to be self-evident'..Enough to save the country? Time will tell.)
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To: GonzoII
"We should never forget that everything Adolf Hitler did in Germany was 'legal' and everything the Hungarian freedom fighters did in Hungary was 'illegal.'"

-- Martin Luther King, Jr., Letter from a Birmingham Jail

166 posted on 06/05/2011 1:49:15 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Some of us still 'hold these truths to be self-evident'..Enough to save the country? Time will tell.)
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To: EternalVigilance

Constitutionally, Abortion should be treated the same way other types of homicide are decided: by the States.

(I’m still waiting for an apology, by the way.)


167 posted on 06/05/2011 1:51:42 PM PDT by hocndoc (http://www.LifeEthics.org (I've got a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.) (RIAing)
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To: GonzoII
The summing up of the work of the Committees of Correspondence:

"Among the natural rights of the Colonists are these: First, a right to life; Secondly, to liberty; Thirdly, to property; together with the right to support and defend them in the best manner they can. These are evident branches of, rather than deductions from, the duty of self-preservation, commonly called the first law of nature."

-- Samuel Adams, The Rights of the Colonists, The Report of the Committee of Correspondence to the Boston Town Meeting, Nov. 20, 1772

168 posted on 06/05/2011 1:53:04 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Some of us still 'hold these truths to be self-evident'..Enough to save the country? Time will tell.)
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I just returned from Mass. I posted it before I left.

I love Free Republic. Where else could one return from church to find 200 folks eagerly discussing the very point one brought up.

As my posts will indicate, I had recently come over to Palin as our best hope. I also have headed Right to Life in my town for 11 years. I sincerely want to know the prolife positions of our GOP candidates. It goes without saying that, when the day is done, we will vote for Obama's opponent; yes, even someone like Giuliani (who decidedly won't get the nod). But this does not lessen our responsibility to expect a truly prolife candidate, or to help a candidate move to this position.

Regarding her appointment of a Planned Parenthood judge, many pointed out that her hands are tied as governor. I am much relieved to hear this. And I will tell you that, as a Right to Life chapter head, I will talk personally to this organization to set the record straight.

Regarding her states rights approach to abortion, which it seems clear she has espoused, I think we need this discussion on how as a nation to proceed. I have worked with Walter Hoye from Oakland who is instrumental in crafting the language for a Personhood Ammendment. His website is http://www.issues4life.org/ but I will condense some of the points in a post later this afternoon.

Abortion is the worst, nastiest of issues because it is among Satan's greatest tools. Some of us believe our nation will not find victory in some areas until we get this issue right (ie banned, just like all other murders). So a presidential campaign is one opportunity for the entire nation to discuss it. But politics is, as said, the art of the possible. God made us to "live wittily" in Thomas More's memorable phrase. We do not wish to make the perfect the enemy of the good. But we do want to conform our government to the Declaration of Independence, which is the country's mission statement. And so far, we have failed with respect to guaranteeing the right to life as it mandates. We need a new approach to the one tried these past 40 years.

I need to spend some family time just now, but I sincerely will look at all that has been posted, and act on this information.
169 posted on 06/05/2011 1:55:43 PM PDT by jobim
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To: EternalVigilance; onyx; mnehring

Why is the definition of and punishment for other various forms of homicide left to the States?

Try the 10th Amendment: “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”


170 posted on 06/05/2011 1:59:19 PM PDT by hocndoc (http://www.LifeEthics.org (I've got a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.) (RIAing)
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To: hocndoc
Constitutionally, Abortion should be treated the same way other types of homicide are decided: by the States.

Ah, but they cannot "decide" not to protect innocent life. It's not optional. That's what this is all about.

"No person shall be deprived of life without due process of law."

"No State shall deprive any person of life without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

Once you use the word "decide" when discussing unalienable rights, at least in any context that suggests that men have any choice in the matter, you have negated the most important principles upon which our form of government and our claim to liberty rest. You have, in fact assured the final destruction of this free republic, should such ideas about human choice prevail. No building can stand indefinitely if it has been shorn of its chief cornerstone.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men..."

171 posted on 06/05/2011 2:01:03 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Some of us still 'hold these truths to be self-evident'..Enough to save the country? Time will tell.)
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To: hocndoc
This misapplication of the Tenth Amendment is common, but easily explained.

No government has legitimate power to alienate unalienable rights. All they have are duties in this most important regard.

In fact, if you actually understand what the word unalienable means, you realize that the individual also doesn't even have any legitimate right to alienate innocent life, even if it is his own.

unalienable: incapable of being repudiated or transferred to another

Why? Because it really isn't his own. It is only lent to him by the One Who created him.

To reiterate: Legitimate power to alienate the God-given, unalienable right to life does not reside in the United States, nor in the several states, nor in the people.

And so, you're just wrong. The Tenth Amendment, read according to the clear meaning of its words, does absolutely nothing to bolster the Ford, McCain, Paul, Romney, Palin idea that states can alienate the right to life if they want to.

172 posted on 06/05/2011 2:11:07 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Some of us still 'hold these truths to be self-evident'..Enough to save the country? Time will tell.)
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To: EternalVigilance

And who or what body is it that your quotes are referencing? Who or what is carrying out the act of “due process of law” or “equal protection of the laws?”

You just gave one example of an exception: “without due process of law.”

The States define and determine things such as self-defense.
How about the Texas law that allows a homeowner to shoot someone who is in the act of stealing or invading his property?


173 posted on 06/05/2011 2:13:48 PM PDT by hocndoc (http://www.LifeEthics.org (I've got a mustard seed and I'm not afraid to use it.) (RIAing)
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To: EternalVigilance

So you personally know everyone at American Right to Life? Wow, you’re a popular guy.


174 posted on 06/05/2011 2:14:20 PM PDT by rintense (The GOP elite & friends can pound sand.)
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To: EternalVigilance
I can. It’s just not necessary. Just because one individual, or group of individuals, made an unconstitutional decision doesn’t mean anyone else has leave to violate their own oaths. Killing innocent persons is still illegal in this country, and every state is still required to provide equal protection of the laws for every person within their jurisdiction.

We have a systemic failure of government at all levels to protect the rights of children in the womb that they are entitled to by virtue of their personhood. That we have established.

Obviously, the approach that much of the Pro-Life movement has been trying for - taking gains where they can be made, with the hope of eventually repealing Roe v. Wade and pushing the abortion issue to the states (then repeating the process at that level) - is not acceptable to you or to the ARTL.

Given this situation, by what means do you propose to fix it? You want the perfect without taking any intermediate steps - so what is the plan to accomplish it?

175 posted on 06/05/2011 2:16:47 PM PDT by GCC Catholic
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To: MHGinTN

Ahem... his shining star is Alan Keyes.


176 posted on 06/05/2011 2:17:42 PM PDT by rintense (The GOP elite & friends can pound sand.)
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To: EternalVigilance
"I'll stick with the law we have, in the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution's statement of purpose in the Preamble, and in multiple existing Amendments to the Constitution. "

I'm pro life and would to eliminate abortion with the exceptions of life of the mother, rape and incest.

However, the Constitution has never yet been construed to protect those who are not yet born. All precedence and current interpretation starts at birth. That's why I contend it would require a Constitutional Amendment to extend those protections to the unborn.

And, that's why I contend overturning Roe is the shortest, fastest path to saving some.

177 posted on 06/05/2011 2:18:25 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: hocndoc

How about the part of the Texas code, passed eight years ago by “pro-life” “Republicans,” which recognizes the personhood of the child from its creation, but then grants permission for abortionists to kill them, in obvious violation of the explicit requirements of the U.S. Constitution?

Don’t you think that question is much more appropriate to this conversation than trying to muddy the waters with questions about what may or may not constitute justifiable homicide?


178 posted on 06/05/2011 2:19:57 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Some of us still 'hold these truths to be self-evident'..Enough to save the country? Time will tell.)
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To: Mariner

Well, then you must agree with Blackmun that the child in utero is not a person.

Because, if, as science has proved beyond any shadow of doubt, the fetus is a person, they are explicitly protected by our existing Constitution, whether you like it or not.


179 posted on 06/05/2011 2:22:11 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Some of us still 'hold these truths to be self-evident'..Enough to save the country? Time will tell.)
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To: rintense

Y’all are the ones with a thing about Alan Keyes. I never mentioned him.


180 posted on 06/05/2011 2:24:09 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Some of us still 'hold these truths to be self-evident'..Enough to save the country? Time will tell.)
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