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[VANITY] I'm a RINO, and proud of it.
2011-06-03 | self

Posted on 06/03/2011 8:21:34 AM PDT by kevkrom

I'm a RINO, and proud of it.

"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." - Inigo Montoya, The Princess Bride

I'm a Republican In Name Only (RINO). And happy to be one.

Of course, I'm not referring to the same definition of RINO that is prevalent on this forum. And frankly, I'm not even sure what the current definition is, except perhaps for each person using the term meaning "someone who disagrees with me on any issue I deem even moderately important".

Seems like a corruption of language to me. The original usage of RINO was to identify and label elected Republicans who behaved like and voted with the Democrats. It was never a measure of conservatism, per se, but one of party platform, loyalty, and discipline.

What's lost in the recent usage of the word is that the Republican Party is not a conservative party. It simply isn't. Conservatives make up a large part of the party, but not the whole of it, especially in the party structure and leadership (an oxymoronic term at times, to be sure). However, the GOP is the natural home for conservatives because there is some overlap on key issues, and the political deck is stacked against creating an effective alternative party.

So, conservatives are stuck with being Republicans if they want to have any voice -- there simply aren't enough of us, nor do we have the infrastructure, to go it alone without the GOP. Conversely, the Republicans ignore conservatives at their own peril -- they are not a strong enough party to win elections if the conservatives stay home (or make protest votes).

And that is why I'm a RINO. I'm a registered Republican, and intend to remain so. But I'm a conservative first and foremost, and my loyalty to the Republican Party extends only as far as the that party remains a vehicle to accomplish conservative goals.

Ironically, many, if not most, of the so-called RINOs out there are better Republicans than many of the posters at this site. They're not conservatives (or not strong enough conservatives for some), but they're most certainly not RINOs -- they simply represent the "establishment" and "elitist" wings of the party instead of the conservative one. Don't confuse "Republican" and "conservative" to mean the same thing.


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I'm a RINO. Are you a RINO too?
1 posted on 06/03/2011 8:21:39 AM PDT by kevkrom
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To: kevkrom
Maybe you are a rino instead of a RINO.
2 posted on 06/03/2011 8:22:51 AM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (JMO and I reserve the right to be wrong...)
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To: kevkrom

>>>I’m a RINO. Are you a RINO too?

Yes I am.


3 posted on 06/03/2011 8:23:58 AM PDT by Keith in Iowa (FR Class of 1998 | TV News is an oxymoron. | MSNBC = Moonbats Spouting Nothing But Crap.)
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To: kevkrom
I'm a RINO, he's a RINO, she's a RINO, we're a RINO, wouldn't you like to be a RINO too?

NO!

4 posted on 06/03/2011 8:25:02 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: kevkrom

I just want a representative who represents the people who elected him regardless of what the party wants.


5 posted on 06/03/2011 8:25:11 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: kevkrom
Oh, clever.

I thought this was one of those kamakazi opus threads.

6 posted on 06/03/2011 8:25:22 AM PDT by Celtic Cross (The brain is the weapon; everything else is just accessories. --FReeper Joe Brower)
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To: kevkrom
The funny thing is that there are MORE of us in the GOP then there are RINOs.....and the GOP is going to find that out if they keep pushing ‘Rat lite....
7 posted on 06/03/2011 8:25:31 AM PDT by rightwingextremist1776
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To: kevkrom
....definition of RINO that is prevalent on this forum. And frankly, I'm not even sure what the current definition is


8 posted on 06/03/2011 8:25:56 AM PDT by Donald Rumsfeld Fan ("Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts." Richard Feynman father of Quantum Physics)
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To: kevkrom

Heh. The question isn’t if we think a third party will split the GOP vote, rather, does the GOP think it can split the Conservative vote?

We are more than they. Believe it.

However, you gotta speak up, even amongst your Conservative friends. Just today, a stalwart in the office was incredulous to learn that Romney is a RINO of the worst sort.

SPEAK UP!


9 posted on 06/03/2011 8:28:06 AM PDT by JoanVarga (I aim to misbehave.)
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To: Celtic Cross
I thought this was one of those kamakazi opus threads.

Well, I knew the title would draw some eyes as being controversial. But I'm not the type to go for the opus. I'd just leave and bad-mouth y'all behind your backs. :)

10 posted on 06/03/2011 8:28:45 AM PDT by kevkrom (Palin's detractors now resort to "nobody believes she can win because nobody believes she can win")
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To: kevkrom
What's lost in the recent usage of the word is that the Republican Party is not a conservative party.

It's a good point; but what you really need to do is come up with a short, catchy term for non-conservative Republicans that's easier to type than "non-conservative Republicans".

11 posted on 06/03/2011 8:29:41 AM PDT by PENANCE
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To: PENANCE
but what you really need to do is come up with a short, catchy term for non-conservative Republicans that's easier to type than "non-conservative Republicans".

I have several. Unfortunately, they all violate forum rules.

12 posted on 06/03/2011 8:30:41 AM PDT by kevkrom (Palin's detractors now resort to "nobody believes she can win because nobody believes she can win")
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To: kevkrom

You are right. “republican” really means moderate political views that are mildly liberal and the Republican Motto is “We Aren’t Liberals But We Will Go Along to Get Along.”

So conservatives with actual Constitutional ideals are, all of us, RINOs.


13 posted on 06/03/2011 8:32:34 AM PDT by Yaelle
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So conservatives with actual Constitutional ideals are, all of us, RINOs.

Well, technically only those of use registered as Republicans, but yes.

14 posted on 06/03/2011 8:34:41 AM PDT by kevkrom (Palin's detractors now resort to "nobody believes she can win because nobody believes she can win")
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To: kevkrom

FWIW, I did some research on this topic for an A.T. article (working title, Defining RINO Down OR Grading RINO’s on a Curve) — that I will write at some time. My main source was a long time GOP operative who is a true conservative but also has ties deep into the party apparatus. It’s been his profession since early to mid 80’s and his avocation since before that. He knows the history. He loves it.

My first run in with the term was the 92 campaign - and he said that sounds right to him. He said to most back then it was a traitorous term - it meant Republicans who gained credibility with the media by slamming other Republicans or slamming the base (conservative) positions - so RINO always has been at least partially a conservative term for non conservatives in the party, since moderates are the ones who normally do this.

There has always been a small sliver of folks who think RINO means any pro choice Republican. While many RINO’s are pro choice, I reject this definition and that does not appear to be the historical basis of it either.

And as you said, lately on FR and other message boards it means anyone who disagrees with “me” on any particular issue. This makes the term almost useless nowadays. For that reason, and the fact that I’m sure I’ll be called one for writing the article, I have not done so yet. But thanks for posting, I find this an interesting topic.


15 posted on 06/03/2011 8:39:13 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (American Thinker Columnist / Rush ghost contributor)
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To: kevkrom

“I am a libertarian with a small ‘l’ and a Republican with a capital ‘R’. And I am a Republican with a capital ‘R’ on grounds of expediency, not on principle.” -Miilton Friedman


16 posted on 06/03/2011 8:39:49 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: kevkrom
My own understanding of a RINO is someone who basically is unwilling to change course from the path set by Liberals whenever they get a chance. A RINO may not actually further the Liberal agenda, but they won't do anything to fix things or roll things back when they get the chance either. They let Liberals control the agenda and just ask that the liberal agenda be implemented a little slower.

The idea of actually charting a new course and different policies from Liberalism is unthinkable, to a RINO.

17 posted on 06/03/2011 8:41:13 AM PDT by Liberty1970 (I stand with Israel)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
FWIW, I did some research on this topic for an A.T. article (working title, Defining RINO Down OR Grading RINO’s on a Curve) — that I will write at some time.

Count me as one who will look forward to reading this future article.

18 posted on 06/03/2011 8:44:55 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free!)
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To: kevkrom

“I’m a conservative first and foremost, and my loyalty to the Republican Party extends only as far as the that party remains a vehicle to accomplish conservative goals.”

Been feeling this way for a long, long time now.


19 posted on 06/03/2011 8:45:08 AM PDT by Grunthor (Make the lefts' collective brain cell implode; Cain/Bolton 2012.)
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To: Keith in Iowa
Since I am a conservative first and a republican second I guess I must be a RINO. That disturbs me. I guess I have always thought that republicans should be conservatives, that the terms should be synonymous. Talk about ruining my day. Please don't telly anybody I am a RINO.
20 posted on 06/03/2011 8:46:12 AM PDT by JAKraig (Surely my religion is at least as good as yours)
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