Posted on 05/31/2011 8:02:52 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Governor Butch Otter, in league with notorious Marxist, B. Hussein Obama, have hatched a plan to make Idaho the first Chinese owned state in America. Otter and company have named this Project 60. Sounds innocent enough, until you realize that Otter and his minions are afraid to call it what it is, globalization of America and surrender of sovereignty. If it were called that someone may want to charge Otter with sedition. Under B. Hussein Obama it has become increasingly difficult to do business in America, unless you are from a foreign nation. Idaho, under the stewardship of Governor Butch Otter, has opened the door for a Chinese invasion wherein the sovereignty of Idaho and America will be sodomized by all parties involved.
Project 60 takes advantage of a federal program that grants permanent residency to foreign nationals, in this case, Chinese. This program comes with special tax exemptions to the foreign firms moving here. American companies do not get the tax exemptions; So much for the Constitution and equal protection. Idaho is struggling financially and it is widely known that America is broke, so why tax breaks for the Chinese? China wants to limit its exposure to America’s debt. China needs to maintain its trade deficits, so it does not collapse like a house of cards. In order to accomplish this, China must unload currency and excess dollars. Buying Idaho is a good way to accomplish this. But, do not worry, China is looking at buying Ohio, Michigan and Pennsylvania as well. China will not allow its currency to become stronger, so it must eliminate some of America’s IOU’s. What better way to do this than buy America?
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One more point, they claim that this project will increase US exports? I guess they mean US export of Chinese goods, but how do you suppose they plan to export from southern Idaho?
I find it curious indeed that a conservative, is against a tax cut on a business with the potential to create jobs, be on the state or federal level. I agree whole heatedly we should be willing to give the same tax breaks to American companies that want to start in Idaho. I can think of a few initiatives to offer tax cuts to startups here in Idaho, but I'm not sure how comparable the benefits are. I'll see what I can find out.
Please explain why it would be wrong for a Chinese citizen with the required capital to come and build a business in Idaho when you would see no problem with an American doing the same? These free trade zones have been done for more than the Chinese so I'm confused why all the uproar over this particular law. I'm searching for the logic behind the panic.
Please don't read me wrong. I'm not saying this is a wonderful policy, as with all policies it has its flaws. But it is not selling the United States to the Chinese. It is a natural occurrence of our trade deficit leaving the Chinese with a lot of dollars to invest after selling us cheap goods. It clearly is not the United States of America being sold to China and Butch Otter does not deserve to be thrown under the bus as being in league with Obama.
As far as shipping Nampa has a inter modal rail facility and it would make sense to build products and transport them by container to the docks in Portland. Grain among other things are shipped by barge from Lewiston (which is technically a port of entry into the US).
If you are against free trade for the sake of free trade ie. the everything should be made in America attitude, I have a suggestion. Find a copy of David Ricardo On the Principles of Political Economy and Taxation. written in 1821. He has a quite interesting explanation of the problems of mercantilism.
How old are you? You don’t seem to have any recollection that China IS A COMMUNIST COUNTRY.
By the way, there is no such thing as Free Trade with China. China manipulates their currency to start off.
Who do you think is going to pay for all the infrastructure that is going to be necessary to serve this 50 square mile Free Trade Zone??? Not China. Think about the rail lines, the power lines and the highways, the water and sewers. That is all going to be on the US government or the citizens of Idaho.
....and what do we get in exchange? nada.
I am well aware of the fact China is one of the most totalitarian societies in the world. They have been our erstwhile quasi enemy in two wars. Most of the people live in squalor and their level of technology is at least 20 years behind our own.
Are you saying no one from communist countries should not be allowed access to the United States. Why?
Who do you think is going to pay for all the infrastructure that is going to be necessary to serve this 50 square mile Free Trade Zone??? Not China. Think about the rail lines, the power lines and the highways, the water and sewers. That is all going to be on the US government or the citizens of Idaho.
....and what do we get in exchange? nada.
The city of Kuna lies to the South of Boise and a 50 mile box around Kuna would include all of Boise and Nampa; a big chunk of the population in the Treasure Valley. So any firms locating in this area already have utilities. Even if the impact fees for development were waived, the city and county in theory make up the difference in property tax.
As to getting nothing in exchange you did read the part about having to invest a certain amount of money and hire six people right? So that means they can't “invade us with an army of workers.”
It also points out these free trade zones are not a new thing: “Corsi noted that the U.S. government has created 257 foreign trade zones, or FTZs, throughout the United States, designed to extend special U.S. customs treatment to U.S. plants engaged in international-trade-related activities.”
It seems pretty far fetched to go from the above policies to Chinese invasion.
Retail and homes have never been a part of FTZ zones. I live near the border, and we do have free trade stores at the border crossing, but you have to stay over night to take advantage of them. The retail stores would only be open to the Chinese residents of the FTZ.
Think about it? Why do we want to allow Chinese residents to move to the US to occupy this FTZ? What possible benefit is it?
We do have lots of foreign companies that are receiving favored treatment from the Obama administration, like Siemans and Sumitomo, so maybe they also have FTZs, but I’ve never heard about it.
There is just nothing in this Chinese FTZ to benefit the US. I guess it would be one way to avoid having to renew China’s most favored nation status every couple of years, but that’s about it.
My daughter was doing some traveling to China on business and noticed a very strange phenomena in one of the cities, Black people a whole lot of Black people. The locals were very distressed about the presence of these people because they didn’t work, just received government money and brought in a lot of crime that wasn’t there before. The man said that the Black people were from Africa and that the government just dumped them in their city.
Maybe China wants to find a new place to dump their African detainees.
As for it not being good for the U.S at all. Scroll up to post #12, “The USA allows any Chinese person who will invest $1million in a business here in America and create 6 jobs to get a green card. A lot of the Chinese millionaires are desparate to leave China and come here so that is what they are doing.” The plan is supposed to raise Idaho's GDP.
Found another news article on Butch Otter’s trip.
http://www.idahopress.com/news/state/otter-to-embark-on-trade-trip-to-china/article_042bf63f-bf03-5118-825c-145e5da97622.html
Just to point out a couple of salient points from it:
“Jeff Sayer, director of the Idaho Department of Commerce, said attracting investment isn’t the focus of Otter’s trip this time, but noted that the governor won’t turn down investments based solely on where they come from.”
“Otter notes that federal, state and local laws don’t allow a foreign government to acquire a section of American soil to build an autonomous city.”
What is this?
That is a complete switch from what we have been reading about this proposed FTZ for the past couple of years. It’s great to hear a state official admit that the proposed FTZ would be illegal.
My interest in the Idaho FTZ involved a new deep water port in WA State that has been connected to the Idaho FTZ. It is being proposed as a coal export terminal, but China has said that they won’t be buying US sub-bituminous coal by the time the terminal is built and there has been talk of it really being used as an import terminal. The reason that the imports are not the main focus is because the present infrastructure and roads would not support an import terminal, not even the RR. Some are conjecturing that they want to build new rail lines through the rural areas of our county, and connect with existing rails that would go to this Idaho FTZ. If they completed this FTZ and made the terminal in WA and FTZ, China would be able to ship anything that they wanted right to Idaho.
So, it sounds as though people are the biggest export that China wants to ship to Idaho at this point. Maybe I wasn’t so far off about them shipping those Nigerian detainees to the US, after all. I was just being facetious.
Some are conjecturing that they want to build new rail lines through the rural areas of our county, and connect with existing rails that would go to this Idaho FTZ.
As to the Free trade zone. Please read more carefully. A FTZ is not owned by a foreign country: The area south of Boise will still belong to the United States and Idaho. The FTZ exists to help Idaho export to China. Here's a theory, a large amount of tech companies are located in the Boise area. The FTZ could allow them to more easily ship tech products to China.
Here's an example of a proposed FTZ in Canada for exporting Lumber.
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2012/04/11/canada-us-lumber-dispute_n_1418932.html
Read the article and tell me who owns the FTZ: Australia, Malaysia, Vietnam, Singapore or Chile? They are all part of it.
Here's another take on how horrible FTZ’s are:
“FTZs, usually located on major trade routes, grant multinational corporations access to cheap labor markets and offer exemptions from taxes, tariffs, and government regulations. Historically, governments dominated by corporate interests demand FTZs while governments that need to create jobs provide them.”
http://combatingglobalization.com/articles/north_american_free_trade_zones.html
I post the above article for the reason of pointing out why liberals don't like FTZ. According to the leftists free trade zones allow the evils of capitalism to do what is does best, create jobs (or as the libs call it companies exploiting the local labor force). Now can the companies focusing on exporting to China pay less than Idaho's minimum wage? What the FTZ can do is help companies in Boise (be they owned by Chinese companies or American companies) to export more easily to China by being able to avoid tariffs and other taxes.
A relative called me a couple of years ago about a traffic tie up, asking what was going on and would I please look up the traffic and events in the place where he was living at the time. As I was starting up some browser queries, he specifically said he saw that one side of the outerbelt was empty and here came an escort for limos with Communist Chinese flags on them.
I checked. There was no news report about the visit or traffic. There was, however, an FTZ not terribly far from that location.
These FTZs are all over creation. Look up yours. Thanks, NAFTA.
Years ago, 20 or so, Canada required every person who wanted to emigrate to Canada to invest (ahem) $50,000 in Canada for the privilege.
We can call it inflation. Seems to me we should charge a whole lot more. Say, 14,000 factories, payrolls and exports.
You don’t understand, the Chinese don’t want to and would not build rail lines in the US. The federal dept of transportation is funding the trains. They are a part of Obama’s plans for multi-modal transportation corridors throughout the US, moving people and cargo through urban centers and ports. The multi-modal transportation corridors are known as Gateways.
Patty Murray has a bill in committee in the the Senate, SB942, which will fund these Gateway projects around the country, but mainly the one in WA State, which happens to be a coal terminal, planned by SSA (owned by Goldman Sachs). Murray’s husband just happens to work for SSA. The co-sponsors of the bill were Dick Durbin (there is already a Gateway in Chicago), and Susan Collins of Maine. The Gateway 1 in Maine was put on hold when the new governor pulled the funding, but there is a lot of information on the web about the Gateway 1 project and is possibly the best source of material to gain an understanding of what these FTZs and Gateways are about.
It’s all connected to the Agenda 21 Wildlands program.
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