[Elsie]

The draft was a form of slavery which was tolerated during times of real national danger since if we ever lost something like WW-II, we'd all be slaves more or less.

This morning, my share of the National Debt is $177,776.

What's yours?

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http://www.usdebtclock.org/index.html

[wendy1946]

GRANTED our system of money was never meant to sustain the gigantic increases in debt within a space of two or three years which we've seen and granted it was not intended that other nations hold US debt...

Nonetheless our entire system of money is BASED on government debt. THERE IS NO OTHER BASIS FOR MONEY IN OUR SYSTEM. In my view, too many conservatives and republicans do not understand this basic reality.

Screwing around with the "debt ceiling" and playing chicken with a national default is not the way to fix anything; our entire system of money which is based on government debt and an income tax to pay interest on that debt in perpetuity needs to be fundamentally changed.